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Old 06-24-2012, 08:57 PM    (permalink
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Isn't that from like last year? Cause I remember seeing something like that a while ago.
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So who pays the bill, Wade or LeBron?

And are we all in agreement that Bosh ordered the 12 Bud Lights?

Its more likely that Bosh wasn't invited.

And that waitress probably made more in tips that night than I make in an entire year.
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But the thing Deron wants to win right now and Dallas gives him the best chance to win right now. Cuban has his ways of reloading the roster to making us playoff contenders each season and you don't think he'll do that this off season with the amount of talent in the FA pool this off season.
Do they really though? that mavs roster isn't really that good, and is pretty bad and really old outside of dirk...who's also old.

and it's not like it's a deep FA class...plus, you're hurt with the awful Marion and Haywood contracts, so it's not like your reloading is a guarantee.

What you're pretty much saying is he's banking on Cuban to work wonders with not a ton of cap space (especially if they sign Deron) to turn an aging 8 seed into a contender. I just don't see it
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:42 PM    (permalink
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We made cap space by trading fernadez and brewer earlier in the year and we can amnesty marion or haywood. And then if we want we could also trade away the other to dump their contract on somewhere else. It's not that complicated. But we do cap space.
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No one is going to take on one of those contracts. And who else is out there that is so enticing to sign? The macs just really aren't that talented and need to make moves just to get some cap while the nets already have a good amount and will use it on talented guys like Wallace and Lopez and not guys like Marion or Haywood. The mavs aren't really that talented. And while he wants to win now, what's now gonna be in 3 years when half the mavs team retires and it's deron rebuilding in dallas
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Do they really though? that mavs roster isn't really that good, and is pretty bad and really old outside of dirk...who's also old.

and it's not like it's a deep FA class...plus, you're hurt with the awful Marion and Haywood contracts, so it's not like your reloading is a guarantee.

What you're pretty much saying is he's banking on Cuban to work wonders with not a ton of cap space (especially if they sign Deron) to turn an aging 8 seed into a contender. I just don't see it
Marion's contract isn't that bad and if they have to, they can use the spread waiver with Haywood's contract.
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Marion's contract isn't that bad and if they have to, they can use the spread waiver with Haywood's contract.
spread waiver only applies to players already waived.
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They can waive him...
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They can waive him...
Ya but it is easier to amnesty him though.
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No one is going to take on one of those contracts. And who else is out there that is so enticing to sign? The macs just really aren't that talented and need to make moves just to get some cap while the nets already have a good amount and will use it on talented guys like Wallace and Lopez and not guys like Marion or Haywood. The mavs aren't really that talented. And while he wants to win now, what's now gonna be in 3 years when half the mavs team retires and it's deron rebuilding in dallas
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Ya but it is easier to amnesty him though.
Eh, not really. They can use it to amnesty a contract worse in the future, instead of blowing their wad too early. Almost like another team just did this last year, amnestying a perfectly acceptable contract and keeping on the worst contract in the NBA. I honestly would not be able to place this mystery team though.
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Story of the mavs "They aren't that talented" Heard that every year even the year when we won it. But we continue to have great seasons from our "not so talented" team. Deron is 28 how much time does he have left in his prime? The nets are still in building mode do you think he'd want to sit and wait for that to happen at his age? Unless they are guaranteeing that Dwight goes to Brooklyn I think I like our chances of landing Dwill. You're talking like Cuban has never reloaded our team every season. He's done that consistently and given us a deep bench. And there is plenty of players in the FA for role players and depth. It's not like we need to add another all star to the team to be contenders when we already are.
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Eh, not really. They can use it to amnesty a contract worse in the future, instead of blowing their wad too early. Almost like another team just did this last year, amnestying a perfectly acceptable contract and keeping on the worst contract in the NBA. I honestly would not be able to place this mystery team though.
Oh ****. They made the move for Tyson Chandler the DPOY. They didn't have a clue Amare would turn to ****.

Back to the point. Teams only have so long they can use their amnesty since it only applies to contracts signed from the past CBA. If a team doesn't use it then eventually it will be non useable.
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Story of the mavs "They aren't that talented" Heard that every year even the year when we won it. But we continue to have great seasons from our "not so talented" team. Deron is 28 how much time does he have left in his prime? The nets are still in building mode do you think he'd want to sit and wait for that to happen at his age? Unless they are guaranteeing that Dwight goes to Brooklyn I think I like our chances of landing Dwill. You're talking like Cuban has never reloaded our team every season. He's done that consistently and given us a deep bench. And there is plenty of players in the FA for role players and depth. It's not like we need to add another all star to the team to be contenders when we already are.
I understand that, I do, and Cuban's one of, if not, the best in the biz and Carlisle is probably the 3rd best coach in the NBA and gets the most out of everyone. But in terms of assets to get better, the Nets posses more than the Mavs. And it's not like the Mavs were some super team either needing just Deron as the missing piece, you guys snuck into the playoffs as the 8 seed. Yeah, I know I'll get the "Nets suck lols" in response, but nobody really notices that they lost the most manpower games out of anyone this season, which includes 5 games and the end of the season with Deron, Bropez missing most of the year with his foot injury, and us being forced to start guys like Shelden Williams. It got ugly. If we were so bad, you ask, why would Deron want to go there to win?

All those injuries were extremely costly. We were throwing pure scrubs out there and pulled 22 wins out of our asses. But Bropez will be back. Reports are saying Wallace will re-up with us as well. MarShon Brooks (who's going to be a really good scorer in this league) has another year under his belt. Morrow and Green are good bench players and scorers. It's not a team that lacks talent. It's not like we're in full out rebuilding mode. Bringing back Deron, and a huge "if" of staying healthy, the nets are a playoff team. Granted a low seed in the weak east, but they're hardly some **** team that needs full rebuilding. In terms of assets, I really feel the nets also have more than the mavs:

Mavs roster: (contracts going into next season)
Dirk: 20.9 mil (his contract doesn't really matter, as his super star prowess is a huge plus enough)

Marion: 8.6 mil with another year after. It'll be hard to ditch his contract and Marion's aging fast and not worth that money right now.

Haywood: 8.3 mil with 2 more years afterwards. Bad, bad contract. Should get amnestied, but even still, it's a liability at this point.

Roddy B: 2.2 Mil. Not a big contract, good enough player, but really just kinda meh.

Domique Jones: 1.2 mil. Young kid with some talent but really a non factor in this.

total, that's 41.2 mil. Throw in Deron's max (about 16 I think) and that's 57.2 mil. Let's say the cap is 60 mil, you'd have less than 3 mil to try and entice more free agents. Even with the amnesty of Haywood, that's about 10 mil to work with and not many players on your squad. Who're you going to fill them with? Who's out there? And this is me not counting any of the team options, as I assume the Mavs will decline the most impactful ones.

Now, to the Nets:

Morrow: 4 million expiring

Farmar (assuming he picks up his player option) 4.25 expiring.

Petro: 3.5 million expiring

Bropez: 4.1 qualifying offer

MarShon: 1.2

Jordan Williams (less than 1 mil)

that's, in total, about 18 million dollars. 18 million. Throw in Deron, and the Nets are around 35 mil. Boost Lopez's by, let's say 5 mil (since he's coming off injury, but some team may throw him an offer) and that's at 40 mil. Wallace's rumored contract talks have been 3 years 24 mil, so that's 8 mil, putting the nets at still under 50 mil, with pretty much a full starting lineup with quality guys such as Lopez, Brooks and Wallace alongside Deron.

Lopez is a better trade asset than anyone on the Mavs, plus the Nets have almost 12 million bucks in expirings with Ammo, Johan and Farmar.

I'm not saying it's a no brainer for Deron to stay with the Nets and I'm not saying the Mavs would be a dumb decision, but in terms of assets to make moves and all around talent, it's not like the Mavs are far and away the obvious choice for Deron.

I've made my side of the argument and reasoned why he should choose the Nets over the Mavs, so for now, I'm going to bear with the rumors for this week, see what kind of crazy moves the nets pull out of their ass on draft day (because i'm almost positive one is coming) and sit back and hope Deron stays with us.
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Seriously, with all that top shelf, overpriced booze, why the hell would anyone order a bud light?
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$1500 bottles. Lol.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:03 PM    (permalink
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They had a 6L of Cristal for $50k..
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The Knicks are targeting Ray Allen or Jason Terry to spread the floor. I like it. We need floor spacing. The only guy we have who can spread the floor right now is Novak and he's only good for wide open 3s.

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Ray Allen is 100% going to Miami. I didn't know Jet was a free agent. He'd be awesome for NY.
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8 for 14 and Lowry, the Raps need to pull dat trigger. That would be a sexy trade.
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