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Old 06-30-2012, 09:13 PM    (permalink
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You want to bet on it?

Chandler wasn't even a all star last year why is a lock next year?
Bc he's the 2nd best Center in the East. That's why. Hibbert needs to get more consistent to be #2.
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Bc he's the 2nd best Center in the East. That's why. Hibbert needs to get more consistent to be #2.
Hibbert was a all star last year and Tyson was not. So try again.
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Trades that should happen:

Cavs Receive:
Josh Smith
Marvin Williams

Hawks Receive:
Anderson Varejao
Daniel Gibson
Omri Cassipi
Luke Walton
2013 First Round pick(Unprotected)

Why for Atlanta: They seem set on wanting to move both Smith and Williams. Josh doesn't want to be in Atlanta and won't resign, I think the Hawks will take less than market value for Josh they are just looking for a team to take Marvin. Marvin is somewhat more useful than Walton but has one more year on his contract. Varejao lets Atlanta move Horford to PF which is something they seem so set on. For Cleveland they get a dynamic allstar caliber PF to pair with Irving. Creates a solid big man rotation with Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller.
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Houston Receives:

Andre Iguodala
Andrew Goudelock
Future First Round pick(LAL)

Memphis Receives:
Pau Gasol

Los Angeles Lakers Receives:
Kyle Lowry
Luis Scola
Tony Allen

Philadelphia Receives:
Zach Randolph
Chandler Parsons

For Houston they get a veteran leader to guide all the young guys who is the perfect compliment for Jeremy Lamb. They also get a backup PG for Dragic. Memphis brings back Gasol to pair up with his brother. The Lakers pick up a huge upgrade at PG, a good defender in Allen, and a starting PF in Scola. Philly gets the much needed post threat and a potential starting SF.
----------------------------------------------------

Rockets Receive:
Derrick Favors
Earl Watson
Martell Webster

Jazz Receive:
Luke Ridnour
Wes Johnson

T'wolves Receive:
Kevin Martin

Rockets get a big upside guy in Favors who with their young roster they can try him at Center for a small lineup. The Jazz get a starting PG in Ridnour and hell maybe they can do something with Wes Johnson, at the least they can play him at SF. The Wolves get a proven scorer to lineup with Budinger.

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If Lin cuts down on his turnovers, with Rose basically missing the whole season I think it's possible that Lin could play like an all star this year.

Regardless, the Asian vote will get him in there.
Rondo, Deron probably, Kyrie, Nash?, Jennings, Wall, Jrue...he won't play like an all star.
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Old 06-30-2012, 09:16 PM    (permalink
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Hibbert was a all star last year and Tyson was not. So try again.
Chandler was DPOY and Hibbert was not.

Chandler is better than Hibbert (for now). He'll get the votes this year. Especially when the Knicks win more games this year, the pub he'll get from being on a winning team will lead to more votes.
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Rondo, Deron probably, Kyrie, Nash?, Jennings, Wall, Jrue...he won't play like an all star.
Lin is better than Wall, Jrue, and Jennings.

Wall is living off of his college career. He sucks as a pro until proven otherwise.

Lin just has to cut down on turnovers and he'll play like an all star.
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Trades that should happen:

Cavs Receive:
Josh Smith
Marvin Williams

Hawks Receive:
Anderson Varejao
Daniel Gibson
Omri Cassipi
Luke Walton
2013 First Round pick(Unprotected)

Why for Atlanta: They seem set on wanting to move both Smith and Williams. Josh doesn't want to be in Atlanta and won't resign, I think the Hawks will take less than market value for Josh they are just looking for a team to take Marvin. Marvin is somewhat more useful than Walton but has one more year on his contract. Varejao lets Atlanta move Horford to PF which is something they seem so set on. For Cleveland they get a dynamic allstar caliber PF to pair with Irving. Creates a solid big man rotation with Tristan Thompson and Tyler Zeller.
-------------------------------------------------

Houston Receives:

Andre Iguodala
Andrew Goudelock
Future First Round pick(LAL)

Memphis Receives:
Pau Gasol

Los Angeles Lakers Receives:
Kyle Lowry
Luis Scola
Tony Allen

Philadelphia Receives:
Zach Randolph
Chandler Parsons

For Houston they get a veteran leader to guide all the young guys who is the perfect compliment for Jeremy Lamb. They also get a backup PG for Dragic. Memphis brings back Gasol to pair up with his brother. The Lakers pick up a huge upgrade at PG, a good defender in Allen, and a starting PF in Scola. Philly gets the much needed post threat and a potential starting SF.
----------------------------------------------------

Rockets Receive:
Derrick Favors
Earl Watson
Martell Webster

Jazz Receive:
Luke Ridnour
Wes Johnson

T'wolves Receive:
Kevin Martin

Rockets get a big upside guy in Favors who with their young roster they can try him at Center for a small lineup. The Jazz get a starting PG in Ridnour and hell maybe they can do something with Wes Johnson, at the least they can play him at SF. The Wolves get a proven scorer to lineup with Budinger.

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Lin is better than Wall, Jrue, and Jennings.

Wall is living off of his college career. He sucks as a pro until proven otherwise.

Lin just has to cut down on turnovers and he'll play like an all star.
He was also incredibly inefficient as soon as Melo/Amar'e came back, and his defense blows ass. So no, it's not JUST his turnovers. Wall could easily break out if Blatche is gone and with Beal in the backcourt, Jrue is getting better, and Jennings just needs a better supporting cast/a coach that will up the tempo.
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He was also incredibly inefficient as soon as Melo/Amar'e came back, and his defense blows ass. So no, it's not JUST his turnovers. Wall could easily break out if Blatche is gone and with Beal in the backcourt, Jrue is getting better, and Jennings just needs a better supporting cast/a coach that will up the tempo.
He was inefficient bc of the turnovers. His pts and assists were still very solid when Melo came back. You can always teach defense. He's athletic enough to play defense, he just needs to practice and with D'Antoni gone, he'll learn defense.

Wall is like a more athletic Rondo. The problem is Rondo has 3 potential HOFers on his team to pass to, and Wall...doesn't.

Lin isn't a bad player. You'll see this coming season, he's not just a fluke.
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Lin is better than Wall, Jrue, and Jennings.

Wall is living off of his college career. He sucks as a pro until proven otherwise.

Lin just has to cut down on turnovers and he'll play like an all star.
John Wall has averaged at least 8 apg his first two seasons in the league with no one around him.
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Chandler was DPOY and Hibbert was not.

Chandler is better than Hibbert (for now). He'll get the votes this year. Especially when the Knicks win more games this year, the pub he'll get from being on a winning team will lead to more votes.
Oh ya that 4 game difference in the Pacers and Knicks record at the All Star break was the only reason Hibbert was a all star.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Hibbert had more blocks and played well through out the year
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John Wall has averaged at least 8 apg his first two seasons in the league with no one around him.
Whoopidy doo. Someone's gotta compile the stats, even on a ****** team.
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Oh ya that 4 game difference in the Pacers and Knicks record at the All Star break was the only reason Hibbert was a all star.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Hibbert had more blocks and played well through out the year
I like Hibbert. A lot actually. I feel like if he can just get more consistent he can be a stud. I think Indy as a whole is a team on the come up and can be special in a couple of years with the right moves.

But having that said, Chandler is better right here right now. There's no denying Chandler is the better defender. Blocks aren't the end all argument. If it was, Stat would be a great defender.
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He was inefficient bc of the turnovers. His pts and assists were still very solid when Melo came back. You can always teach defense. He's athletic enough to play defense, he just needs to practice and with D'Antoni gone, he'll learn defense.

Wall is like a more athletic Rondo. The problem is Rondo has 3 potential HOFers on his team to pass to, and Wall...doesn't.

Lin isn't a bad player. You'll see this coming season, he's not just a fluke.
He's a ****** shooter, and you can't magically fix defense in guys like him. I've already pointed out Nash, where they just don't have the lateral quickness or footwork to get it done.
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He's baiting everyone, and I fall into the trap way too often.
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Often.

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It's not trolling when you're right!

I said Miami was the best team in the league all season. Who cares if they don't "fit" and they have no bench. I've said for awhile now that's overrated as hell and you win with star players. The proof is in the pudding.

I said the Bulls suck and are overrated. And they are. 1 and done.

What I say might be controversial, but it's not necessarily wrong.

And I stand by my statement during the season that had the Knicks not played Miami in the 1st round, we would have won. The only team in the East that could have beat us was Miami, and we just happened to play them in the first round. Bad luck. But whatever, next year is our year.

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I like Hibbert. A lot actually. I feel like if he can just get more consistent he can be a stud. I think Indy as a whole is a team on the come up and can be special in a couple of years with the right moves.

But having that said, Chandler is better right here right now. There's no denying Chandler is the better defender. Blocks aren't the end all argument. If it was, Stat would be a great defender.
Stat career average for blocks is 1.0. So no Stat cant even use blocks to make a argument for his defense.

Hibbert is better then Chandler. Hibbert is much better then Chandler on offense and if you even try to make a argument the other way then you don't have a clue of what your talking about.

Hibbert is no slouch on defense and his stats last season are comparable to Tyson's.
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Stat career average for blocks is 1.0. So no Stat cant even use blocks to make a argument for his defense.

Hibbert is better then Chandler. Hibbert is much better then Chandler on offense and if you even try to make a argument the other way then you don't have a clue of what your talking about.

Hibbert is no slouch on defense and his stats last season are comparable to Tyson's.
I just think Hibbert could and should be even more dominating than he already is. I think he's a little soft, and that holds him back. I love Hibbert, but I want to see more from him.

I think Chandler is more consistent. You know what you're getting from Chandler. 10 points on layups/dunks, and great defense every night.

Hibbert is better on offense by a wide margin, but Chandler I'd say is better than Hibbert on defense. Not by a wide margin, but it's a noticeable difference.
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Neither Chris Paul or John Wall led their teams to the playoffs their first two years in the league. Here is how they line up their first two years in the league I fail to see the huge difference other than of course the turnovers and 3 point shooting

Rookie Seasons
Chris Paul: 16.1 ppg, 7.8 apg, 5.1 rpg, 2.2 spg, 2.3 topg, 43% FG, 28.2% 3 pt
John Wall: 16.4 ppg, 8.3 apg, 4.6 rpg, 1.8 spg, 3.8 topg, 41% FG, 29.6% 3 pt

Sophomore Seasons
Chris Paul: 17.3 ppg, 8.9 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.8 spg, 2.5 topg, 44% FG, 35% 3 pt
John Wall: 16.3 ppg, 8.0 apg, 4.5 rpg,1.4 spg, 3.8 topg, 42% FG, 7.1% 3 pt

No reason Wall can't make a Russell Westbrook type leap.

Westbrook is the guy most closely compares to, and Wall finally has his sidekick in Beal

Rookie Seasons:
Westbrook: 15.3 ppg, 5.3 apg, 4.9 rpg, 1.3 spg, 3.3 topg, 40% FG, 27% 3pt
John Wall: 16.4 ppg, 8.3 apg, 4.6 rpg, 1.8 spg, 3.8 topg, 41% FG, 29.6% 3 pt

Sophomore Seasons:
Westbrook: 16.1 ppg, 8.0 apg, 4.8 rpg, 1.3 spg, 3.3 topg, 41% FG, 22% 3 pt
John Wall: 16.3 ppg, 8.0 apg, 4.5 rpg,1.4 spg, 3.8 topg, 42% FG, 7.1% 3 pt
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I just think Hibbert could and should be even more dominating than he already is. I think he's a little soft, and that holds him back. I love Hibbert, but I want to see more from him.

I think Chandler is more consistent. You know what you're getting from Chandler. 10 points on layups/dunks, and great defense every night.

Hibbert is better on offense by a wide margin, but Chandler I'd say is better than Hibbert on defense. Not by a wide margin, but it's a noticeable difference.


There was not a noticeable difference that Chandler was better on D then Hibbert last season.

Your wrong about this and just about every single thing you post about here.
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