NBA Discussion Thread

[bolts2388]

Los Angeles Dodgers ‏@Dodgers

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[MetSox17]

D12 to the Clips. Do it.

[gpngc]

Originally Posted by jayceheathman

I am liking the Rockets roster even if we don't go after Howard.

PG-Lin
SG-Martin/Lamb
SF-Terrence Jones/Chandler Parsons
PF-Patterson/White
C-Montiejunas

A lot of young potential on the team.

Yea I'll be pounding the team wins total UNDER. That team looks terrible. They'll be lucky to win 30 games.

[Vikes99ej]

Knicks made a very smart decision not going after Lin.

[WMD]

Originally Posted by MetSox17

Jimmer also dropped 30.

He's needs quite a few more games like that before he can join Marco Belinelli in the Summer League Hall of Fame.

[LTgiants]

Nate Robinson is a first ballot summer league hall of famer. He even had his jersey retired.

[nepg]

Originally Posted by Vikes99ej

Knicks made a very smart decision not going after Lin.

Yeah, but that was after they signed Jason Kidd and Ray Felton.

And did the Knicks actually have to match the exact contract the Rockets were putting out or could they have matched the money/years with different amounts each year?

[MetSox17]

Originally Posted by nepg

Yeah, but that was after they signed Jason Kidd and Ray Felton.

And did the Knicks actually have to match the exact contract the Rockets were putting out or could they have matched the money/years with different amounts each year?

It needs to be the exact same contract. That's why they're called "poison pills", they're structured in a way that ***** the original tendering team should they try to match it. The NFL did away with it thanks to the Vikings' Steve Hutchinson situation, and the NBA may look to tweak it as well, though i highly doubt it since there was nothing ridiculous in the language of the deal other than the weird jumps in $ from year to year.

[nepg]

Originally Posted by MetSox17

It needs to be the exact same contract. That's why they're called "poison pills", they're structured in a way that ***** the original tendering team should they try to match it. The NFL did away with it thanks to the Vikings' Steve Hutchinson situation, and the NBA may look to tweak it as well, though i highly doubt it since there was nothing ridiculous in the language of the deal other than the weird jumps in $ from year to year.

Why would they have such a stupid ******* rule? If the money and years are the same, it's matched.

[fenikz]

Benefits the player, rather get 10% over that 15 mil than whatever a max contract would be for a 5 year vet

like Lin is gonna get a max deal :)

[jayceheathman]

Originally Posted by gpngc

Yea I'll be pounding the team wins total UNDER. That team looks terrible. They'll be lucky to win 30 games.

I like the team and especially Lamb and Jones. Kevin Martin has one year left on his contract so if we don't trade him this offseason, then our only large contract going into next offseason will be Lin. That is an extra 13 million off of the books. That leaves a lot of money to really see if Howard wants to play here without having to give up our whole team to get him. Even if the Rockets hit 25-30 wins, depending on where the team is already selecting and where the Raptors are selecting, maybe they can get up to get one of the big 3 in next years draft. We barely hit 30 wins with Scola, Lowry, Dragic, and Buddinger, so it isn't much worse while giving the rookies and Patterson some playing time.

[comahan]

Well thats a bit misleading, Houston was 34-32 in a 66 game season. We're back to 82 next year, so yea, it would be much worse.

Im all for it though. I hate, HATE being stuck in the middle, unable to make the playoffs while never getting any sort of good draft pick. Worst spot to possibly be, and thats where Houston has been over the last several years. No thanks.

That said, there is no way Terrence Jones starts over Chandler Parsons, at least not anytime soon. Parsons was arguably the Rockets best player over the last few months of last year, and Jones isnt even starting in the Summer League.

Royce White is a stud though. I know Summer League means absolutely nothing, but just watching him out there, I love the way he plays. He's actually been used like LeBron over the last few games, playing point at times from the top of the key, while at other times posting up off of screens and getting the ball down low to take it to the hole or find an open shooter. Hes a GREAT passer for his position, not good, great, and I cant wait to see him in action against real competition. (Before someone loses their ****, im not comparing him to LeBron in terms of ability)

Anyways, Martin aside, Houston is absurdly young, but still talented at every position. (Well, except PG, because I think Lin sucks, but I suppose he IS an upgrade over NOTHING, if only slightly.) They should, at the very least, be fun to watch, even if they end up being pretty terrible. Knowing Houston though, theyll overachieve to the point where they narrowly miss the playoffs, just to make me miserable.

J.Lin, T.Douglas
K.Martin, J.Lamb
C.Parsons, T.Jones
P.Patterson, R.White
O.Asik(?), D.Motiejunas

Looks excitingly mediocre to me!

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Originally Posted by jayceheathman

I like the team and especially Lamb and Jones. Kevin Martin has one year left on his contract so if we don't trade him this offseason, then our only large contract going into next offseason will be Lin. That is an extra 13 million off of the books. That leaves a lot of money to really see if Howard wants to play here without having to give up our whole team to get him. Even if the Rockets hit 25-30 wins, depending on where the team is already selecting and where the Raptors are selecting, maybe they can get up to get one of the big 3 in next years draft. We barely hit 30 wins with Scola, Lowry, Dragic, and Buddinger, so it isn't much worse while giving the rookies and Patterson some playing time.

He doesn't, even if there was 1% of him that wanted to be in Houston he'd be there now given that Houston is offering Orlando the best deal, and Houston is one of the only trade options.

[scottyboy]

humphries contract screams "nets aren't done with dwight"

the dwightmare will never, ever, ever end.

he'll sign a 1 year extension in Orlando this year so we can do it all over again next year

[bigbluedefense]

Lin is gone :(

I think this was a big mistake. I think Lin is going to be a very good player, and even if he's a shade below All Star, he's going to have very good trade value bc of his marketability.

We could have signed Lin, and then traded him to the Clips with some picks and scrubs for CP3 if CP3 pulled a Dwight Howard.

Now we're stuck.

#FeltonToMeloIn2013

[ATLDirtyBirds]

No need for Felton to ever touch the ball. Melo will guide us to victory. #AllOfTheMeloIso #KnicksIn2013


But seriously, Lin was never going to be our deciding factor. It all boils down to Amar'e. If he's back to what he was his first year, we won't lose a game all year. If he's still terribad Amar'e, we'll have a few bumps before we win the championship.

[bigbluedefense]

But we're still winning the championship regardless of what happens.

#KnicksIn2013

[gpngc]

Originally Posted by comahan

Well thats a bit misleading, Houston was 34-32 in a 66 game season. We're back to 82 next year, so yea, it would be much worse.

Im all for it though. I hate, HATE being stuck in the middle, unable to make the playoffs while never getting any sort of good draft pick. Worst spot to possibly be, and thats where Houston has been over the last several years. No thanks.

That said, there is no way Terrence Jones starts over Chandler Parsons, at least not anytime soon. Parsons was arguably the Rockets best player over the last few months of last year, and Jones isnt even starting in the Summer League.

Royce White is a stud though. I know Summer League means absolutely nothing, but just watching him out there, I love the way he plays. He's actually been used like LeBron over the last few games, playing point at times from the top of the key, while at other times posting up off of screens and getting the ball down low to take it to the hole or find an open shooter. Hes a GREAT passer for his position, not good, great, and I cant wait to see him in action against real competition. (Before someone loses their ****, im not comparing him to LeBron in terms of ability)

Anyways, Martin aside, Houston is absurdly young, but still talented at every position. (Well, except PG, because I think Lin sucks, but I suppose he IS an upgrade over NOTHING, if only slightly.) They should, at the very least, be fun to watch, even if they end up being pretty terrible. Knowing Houston though, theyll overachieve to the point where they narrowly miss the playoffs, just to make me miserable.

J.Lin, T.Douglas
K.Martin, J.Lamb
C.Parsons, T.Jones
P.Patterson, R.White
O.Asik(?), D.Motiejunas

Looks excitingly mediocre to me!

I didn't mean to throw **** on the whole rebuilding process (which is guess what they're doing). I just definitely think that NEXT YEAR, they are going to suck record-wise, even if guys like Lamb and White make big, importatn strides, as I think they definitely could. Lin as possibly your best scorer with no big man scoring at all when KMart inevitably gets hurt is a DISASTER I think.

I don't think you have to worry about them narrowly missing the playoffs. With that roster, they are definitely a candidate for winning the lottery.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

But we're still winning the championship regardless of what happens.

#KnicksIn2013

Can't **** with destiny. #KnicksDynasty

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

No need for Felton to ever touch the ball. Melo will guide us to victory. #AllOfTheMeloIso #KnicksIn2013


But seriously, Lin was never going to be our deciding factor. It all boils down to Amar'e. If he's back to what he was his first year, we won't lose a game all year. If he's still terribad Amar'e, we'll have a few bumps before we win the championship.

But it's having a quality PG that makes Stat and Melo both having a good game possible. Yeah Jason Kidd can get the job done for part of the game, but Felton is terrible and fat.

[bigbluedefense]

We just have to hope that Felton gets motivated again playing for us and loses like 50 lbs.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

We just have to hope that Felton gets motivated again playing for us and loses like 50 lbs.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. No, we need to hope the team gets lucky again and stumbles ass-first into a competent young PG for Kidd to groom.

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by comahan

Well thats a bit misleading, Houston was 34-32 in a 66 game season. We're back to 82 next year, so yea, it would be much worse.

Im all for it though. I hate, HATE being stuck in the middle, unable to make the playoffs while never getting any sort of good draft pick. Worst spot to possibly be, and thats where Houston has been over the last several years. No thanks.

That said, there is no way Terrence Jones starts over Chandler Parsons, at least not anytime soon. Parsons was arguably the Rockets best player over the last few months of last year, and Jones isnt even starting in the Summer League.

Royce White is a stud though. I know Summer League means absolutely nothing, but just watching him out there, I love the way he plays. He's actually been used like LeBron over the last few games, playing point at times from the top of the key, while at other times posting up off of screens and getting the ball down low to take it to the hole or find an open shooter. Hes a GREAT passer for his position, not good, great, and I cant wait to see him in action against real competition. (Before someone loses their ****, im not comparing him to LeBron in terms of ability)

Anyways, Martin aside, Houston is absurdly young, but still talented at every position. (Well, except PG, because I think Lin sucks, but I suppose he IS an upgrade over NOTHING, if only slightly.) They should, at the very least, be fun to watch, even if they end up being pretty terrible. Knowing Houston though, theyll overachieve to the point where they narrowly miss the playoffs, just to make me miserable.

J.Lin, T.Douglas
K.Martin, J.Lamb
C.Parsons, T.Jones
P.Patterson, R.White
O.Asik(?), D.Motiejunas

Looks excitingly mediocre to me!

I really, really hope you guys get Asik. I want to actually have money in a few years to sign players that aren't UDFA or vet minimums.

[Matthew Jones]

Celtics season prediction: 50 wins, third seed, lose in the conference semifinals to Chicago/Miami

15-man roster:

PG: Rondo - Dooling

SG: Bradley - Terry - Moore

SF: Pierce - Green - Joseph

PF: Bass - Sullinger - Johnson - Wilcox

C: Garnett - Melo - Stiemsma

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

Yeah, that's not going to happen. No, we need to hope the team gets lucky again and stumbles ass-first into a competent young PG for Kidd to groom.

Felton played well for us. If he can become that guy again, and supposedly he is "motivated" to play for NY again and is getting in shape, then we'll be fine.

I just think Lin is gonna be a star, and I think we're going to regret losing him.