NBA Discussion Thread - Page 2952

bigbluedefense · 10-27-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010

Felton needs to focus on dropping some ******* weight first.

He's gonna drop your 50 year old PG first.

#YearOfTheKnickz

Brodeur · 10-27-2012, 03:07 PM

Kevin Martin WAS a good player, but he stopped driving last year (which he used to be great at) and is pretty much deadweight defensively.

Da-Phins · 10-27-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

Terrence Jones will be good defensively and play really hard. K-Mart is a very good player, but if he is playing well he will be dealt.

Regardless if he's playing well or not, Rockets will end up trading him at the trade deadline. Rockets are all about stocking up on draft picks in hopes they can land a star player.

Thats why the Rockets are such a young team now. Tried to stock as much young talent as they could so they could try to land Howard. As you can see that worked out well. Maybe Im a homer but I dont see why the Magic would pass on guys such as Patrick Patterson, Jeremy Lamb, Terrence Jones, Chandler Parsons, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Rockets unprotected 1st rounder and a couple more 1st rounders.

Rob S · 10-27-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Da-Phins

Regardless if he's playing well or not, Rockets will end up trading him at the trade deadline. Rockets are all about stocking up on draft picks in hopes they can land a star player.

Thats why the Rockets are such a young team now. Tried to stock as much young talent as they can so they could try to land Howard. As you can see that worked out well. Maybe Im a homer but I dont see why the Magic would pass on guys such as Patrick Patterson, Jeremy Lamb, Terrence Jones, Chandler Parsons, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Rockets unprotected 1st rounder and a couple more 1st rounders.

Magic obviously took a worse deal to bottom out. That's the only reason why they would've passed on Bynum/offers from BK and the Rockets.

And, if Martin sucks again idk if anyone will want him let alone surrendering picks.

yo123 · 10-27-2012, 03:14 PM

You guys just need to get Royce to get his **** together. Talent wise he's a top 5 player in this class imo.

Da-Phins · 10-27-2012, 03:16 PM

Martin has a 17 million expiring contract. That would come in handy.

Brodeur · 10-27-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

Magic obviously took a worse deal to bottom out. That's the only reason why they would've passed on Bynum/offers from BK and the Rockets.

And, if Martin sucks again idk if anyone will want him let alone surrendering picks.

Offers from BK include Bropez, who is now overpaid to the extreme. I'd rather bottom out than have to take on that disaster of a contract.

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Originally Posted by yo123

You guys just need to get Royce to get his **** together. Talent wise he's a top 5 player in this class imo.

If he can control his anxiety (if I can learn to, he can dammit), and improve his ugly turnovers/free throw shooting, he should be good to go. Don't think he'll be a star, but a poor man's Lamar Odom or something could work in theory.

Rob S · 10-27-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Da-Phins

Martin has a 17 million expiring contract. That would come in handy.

Expirings haven't been fetching good packages lately....Rockets would have to take at least one horrific contract back if they want to get a pick out of it.

Da-Phins · 10-27-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

You guys just need to get Royce to get his **** together. Talent wise he's a top 5 player in this class imo.

Agreed but I dont see him playing much this year. And I don think a coach like Kevin McHale can maximize his talents. He's a good guy but I think this whole bus situation he's doing will end up biting him in the ass.

comahan · 10-27-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Kevin Martin WAS a good player, but he stopped driving last year (which he used to be great at) and is pretty much deadweight defensively.

Early last year, officials focused on not calling fouls when an offensive player dives into a defensive player in the paint to draw a foul. Martin wasnt getting the calls he'd gotten his whole career, so after a few weeks of it not working, he just said **** it and turned into 100% jump shooter.

Brodeur · 10-27-2012, 03:21 PM

And from now on, I'm in full on analyst mode and here to show the world dammit. No more mister troll in this thread.

yo123 · 10-27-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Offers from BK include Bropez, who is now overpaid to the extreme. I'd rather bottom out than have to take on that disaster of a contract.

If he can control his anxiety (if I can learn to, he can dammit), and improve his ugly turnovers/free throw shooting, he should be good to go. Don't think he'll be a star, but a poor man's Lamar Odom or something could work in theory.

I think he could be Lamar Odom, he just needs to add a 17 foot or so jumper. He kept freakin Iowa State in the game by himself against a team with 6 NBA players, kid is legit and should have gone higher. If a fear of flying and an anxiety problem derails his career that's too bad.

Rob S · 10-27-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Offers from BK include Bropez, who is now overpaid to the extreme. I'd rather bottom out than have to take on that disaster of a contract.

Obviously I'm talking pre contract.

Brodeur · 10-27-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by yo123

I think he could be Lamar Odom, he just needs to add a 17 foot or so jumper. He kept freakin Iowa State in the game against a team with 6 NBA players, kid is legit and should have gone higher. If a fear of flying and an anxiety problem derails his career that's too bad.

3.8 turnovers per game and sub 50 percent FT shooting is pretty worrisome, too. I do give him credit for his skills, but that must be fixed.

yo123 · 10-27-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

3.8 turnovers per game and sub 50 percent FT shooting is pretty worrisome, too. I do give him credit for his skills, but that must be fixed.

I'm more worried about the FT percentage than the TO's, he does have a pretty ugly stroke at this point. He had to do literally EVERYTHING for that team. He was running the point at 6'8 260 pounds, he's not going to be asked to do that in the NBA.

fenikz · 10-27-2012, 03:34 PM

I just love the fact that he chose Iowa State over Baylor because he didn't want to fly there

derza222 · 10-27-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

PJ III unquestionably fell way to far. Outside of the lottery, it's pretty much a crapshoot anyway so gambling on talent is the way to go. I generally agree with you that talent wins out, but Drummond looked nothing like the player people thought he was going to be at UCONN. He totally **** the bed and looked like a player that could be out of the league in 5 years/a defensive role player. It's not like he's Dwight Howard here.

Hell, based on what you're saying you'd take him over a guy like Kyrie who most people figured was just going to be a solid/dependable guy that maybe eeks out one ASG in a Mike Bibby like career. These solid, safe picks in the top 5 still have talent and are almost as likely to become superstars.

It's obviously all really subjective. I could make an argument for Drummond over about half the guys who went before him though. We could go back and forth all day on this. Wes Johnson and Evan Turner were supposed to be safe picks too. Teams hit and miss both ways. It's all a matter of mixing risk and reward.

Da-Phins · 10-27-2012, 03:46 PM

Yeah and I think he declined going to Kentucky too cause of that.

I may be wrong, but Im fairly certain that Royce said that with this whole Bus thing he's doing, he may miss a game here and there.

Docta · 10-27-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Stand by what I said.

Suns seemed to be just fine with Nash useless on defense. Asik is improving on offense though, it showed in the preseason. I don't think he'll be great, but pushing average on offense with his defense is huge.

The Suns defense has been terrible. He won't be much of a liability this year though with Dwight and Pau down low.

And as a Bulls fan, I can say that Asik is not even close to being the best big in the league. He has the potential to be in the top 5, but he's way too erratic. He must have learned a lot after being coached by Thibs though.

fenikz · 10-27-2012, 04:51 PM

Nash will always be a liability, he tries hard but just simply doesn't have the ability to guard the PGs in the west(Westbrook, Lawson, Parker, etc)

Grant Hill spent a lot of time guarding PGs for us the last 2 years

pierce2walker · 10-27-2012, 06:18 PM

While I do think that PJIII was worth the pick where he was selected, I'm a bit hesitant to label him to have massive potential solely due to his physical tools. Something I look for in 'potential' is big steps of improvement from year to year, especially with players who are fairly raw. PJIIIs physical talents really should have allowed him to dominate in college, but he really didn't make huge strides from year to year. I think that was the main thing that bothered me about him coming out (aside from the health stuff). Drummond is harder to judge because he was only there for a year and that year was a mess at UCONN.

Docta · 10-27-2012, 09:45 PM

@WojYahooNBA
The Rockets send Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder for Harden, sources tell Y! Sports.

What. The. ****. Thunder.

Da-Phins · 10-27-2012, 09:46 PM

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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
The Rockets send Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder for Harden, sources tell Y! Sports.

Whaaaaaaaaa??????

**** just got real in Houston!

yo123 · 10-27-2012, 09:46 PM

What.

The.

****.

Rob S · 10-27-2012, 09:47 PM

Holy ******* ****. Wow.