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Old 11-03-2012, 01:18 AM    (permalink
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I didn't say it would. But saying that what he's done so far is a product of not having scorers on that team is stupid.
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I didn't say it would. But saying that what he's done so far is a product of not having scorers on that team is stupid.
Cause you know it won't. That team right now doesn't have another player that can be relied on for scoring. ...and him being the only one who can (which is my point) is irrelevant to the tie you're trying to make that efficiency matters. So you can stop with the strawman.
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:25 AM    (permalink
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No **** it won't. You'd have to be an idiot to think he's going to average 41 PPG this year.

Bu I'm not going to carry on this argument any longer because you've made it quite clear you're just going to keep repeating the same point over and over, even though multiple people have explained to you that it doesn't make sense in this situation.
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:30 AM    (permalink
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I'm not going to carry on this argument any longer because you've made it quite clear you're just going to keep repeating the same point over and over, even though multiple people have explained to you that it doesn't make sense in this situation.
You lose.

Seriously, he's gonna get a lot of opportunity to score, so the stats will be there. If the Rockets are a team to wreakon with this year, I'll give him his props.
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How does effeciency not matter?
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Efficient= good. D-Unit not comprehending the entire argument = bad.
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Poor D-Unit. He also use to think Gilbert Arenas was good when he was shooting like 38% from the field.
Like Metsox with Boogie Cousins?
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You lose.

Seriously, he's gonna get a lot of opportunity to score, so the stats will be there. If the Rockets are a team to wreakon with this year, I'll give him his props.
So you don't think that being on a bad team with no other scorers inflates stats? I'm not saying that he is a fluke or he is legit, but your argument contradicts most basketball logic of most people ever.
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Stop trying to be cool. I never said anything like that.
Uh, yeah you did. I'm sure any number of people can attest to that. I'm sure I could go back and look but I really don't care enough. You thought Arenas was good when the trade happened. He wasn't, he was awful.

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Cause you know it won't. That team right now doesn't have another player that can be relied on for scoring. ...and him being the only one who can (which is my point) is irrelevant to the tie you're trying to make that efficiency matters. So you can stop with the strawman.
Wait, what now? Who gives a crap if no one on his team can score? What does that have to do with anything if he's doing it efficiently? Plenty of players can put up scoring numbers, but if you do it inefficiently, it's hurting your team.

It's like a running back who runs for a 100 yards but does it averaging 2.5 ypc. If you've rushed it that many times and for that little success you're only hurting your team.
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Efficient= good. D-Unit not comprehending the entire argument = bad.
2 games <> career reputation. Brodeur not comprehending the fact that Harden is the only good scorer on his team = bad.
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So you don't think that being on a bad team with no other scorers inflates stats? I'm not saying that he is a fluke or he is legit, but your argument contradicts most basketball logic of most people ever.
No, you need to go back and read. That's the opposite of what I said.
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2 games <> career reputation. Brodeur not comprehending the fact that Harden is the only good scorer on his team = bad.
This is one of those times where you should admit you're wrong or say nothing at all. You have no leg to stand on at this point.
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2 games <> career reputation. Brodeur not comprehending the fact that Harden is the only good scorer on his team = bad.
He was incredibly efficient last year as well, and he's starting to back it up with efficiency this year. You act like he was Antoine Walker before this year.
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So you don't think that being on a bad team with no other scorers inflates stats? I'm not saying that he is a fluke or he is legit, but your argument contradicts most basketball logic of most people ever.
Of course it does..you get more touches which increases your scoring opportunities
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Uh, yeah you did. I'm sure any number of people can attest to that. I'm sure I could go back and look but I really don't care enough. You thought Arenas was good when the trade happened. He wasn't, he was awful.



Wait, what now? Who gives a crap if no one on his team can score? What does that have to do with anything if he's doing it efficiently? Plenty of players can put up scoring numbers, but if you do it inefficiently, it's hurting your team.

It's like a running back who runs for a 100 yards but does it averaging 2.5 ypc. If you've rushed it that many times and for that little success you're only hurting your team.
Yeah, go ahead and look it up. Everyone knew Arenas was an inefficient scorer, so don't make things up. I didn't think I the Magic was getting a great player. I thought they were getting a better player they were shipping out and for the time he was on the Magic he was better than Rashard was for the Wizards. Rashard's back went out on him and he was useless. There were moments in the playoffs that Arenas helped the Magic win and overall, he was better than Jameer (that's not saying a lot, but still). In the end, when the Magic amnestied him, the effect on the cap ended up being the same if the Magic had kept Rashard. So cap wise, the trade had a wash effect.

If Harden is scoring efficiently, I don't see how that goes against me saying "He's the only guy on the team that they can depend on for scoring."
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Of course it does..you get more touches which increases your scoring opportunities
But who cares if you're scoring EFFICIENTLY?
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had you kept Lewis you could of amnestied Hedo instead

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This is one of those times where you should admit you're wrong or say nothing at all. You have no leg to stand on at this point.
Wrong about what? 2 games in and now Harden is on the level of these guys?

Chris Paul
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He's in their same pay grade.
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But who cares if you're scoring EFFICIENTLY?
You cannot score either way if you're not getting touches. You have to have the ball in your hands most often than not.

I understand the point, but his numbers wouldn't be later on in the season. It's too early in the year. Harden averaging 30? I don't care how good his second option is, defenses will adjust to him.
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Wrong about what? 2 games in and now Harden is on the level of these guys?

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He's in their same pay grade.
He's better than Deron Williams and Chris Bosh, yeah. Deron Williams was not good last year, so he has to prove some **** as well.
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had you kept Lewis you could of amnestied Hedo instead

i think
Negative. Rashard was traded to NOR for Ariza and Okafor and the Hornets bought out the last year of his deal this past summer.
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There are also about 50 players who are worse than him being paid more, don't know how anyone can think he isn't worth a max contract
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Blah blah blah... Hate on haters....

Arenas is gonna have a huge year. ...and when he does, I'm gonna say EAT IT SUCKA!

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Arenas does not have a worse contract because he actually does things on the floor. Lewis has the worst contract in the NBA. Period.

Gilbert's game log. Baller.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...Vj_53ObimhPKB4
Just some of the proof of your love for Gilbert, despite his inefficiency. My favorite part was when you tried to use statistical evidence to prove me wrong by saying Gilbert was good when his efficiency was absolutely terrible. I got so much rep for that.

But nice try, D.
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Cool your jets. Teams haven't adjusted yet.

This won't last.
adjusted? this isn't the nfl, teams know harden is the top scorer. it's nothing to do with adjustments, he's just ******* awesome
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He's better than Deron Williams and Chris Bosh, yeah. Deron Williams was not good last year, so he has to prove some **** as well.
Deron and Bosh have proved their mettle beyond doubt. This is Harden's year to prove it. You guys want to prematurely crown him and put him at that level, then I think it's premature. If Houston becomes one of the better teams in the league this year, then I'll give him his due. But I think they'll be amongst the bottome teams in the West.

But this all started off with me disagreeing with the crowd saying the Thunder got hurt in their trade. From there, things have spun into what it is now.
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