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Old 04-18-2013, 04:46 PM    (permalink
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What's so bad about it?
-Klay Thompson is on it
-Andre Drummond is at 46, when he should be considerably higher
-Tobias Harris is on it
-Jrue Holiday and Cousins are in the top 40
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Exactly. Meanwhile, LeBron is quinessentially penalized for being the runner up two times
Exactly. Jordan got bounced in the first round his first three years in the league and was swept in two of them. He didn't make the Conference Finals until his fifth year and didn't make the Finals until his seventh year.
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Brody is just mad cause Cousins >>> Drummond.
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Brody is just mad cause Cousins >>> Drummond.
Probably. But if Sacramento offered Cousins for Drummond, Detroit probably hangs up.
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Exactly. Jordan got bounced in the first round his first three years in the league and was swept in two of them. He didn't make the Conference Finals until his fifth year and didn't make the Finals until his seventh year.
People act like he played from 89-98 with a 2 year break.
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Probably. But if Sacramento offered Cousins for Drummond, Detroit probably hangs up.
Which would never happen, that's why he's below on the list. Cousins has shown more and has just as much if not more (more imo) potential than Drummond does.
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Where is this list? I wanna complain!
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Which would never happen, that's why he's below on the list. Cousins has shown more and has just as much if not more (more imo) potential than Drummond does.
The list is theoretical. If a team calls and asks to trade player A for player B who hangs up.

I think the Kings would take Drummond and I think the Pistons don't want to make the trade. Drummond is on a better/longer contract and I think Drummond has a higher upside.

TJ, it's just Part One for now:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...-column-part-1
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I know the purpose of the list.. it's basically your opinion against mine. Both equally meaningless but fun to argue. Plus you're wrong.
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-Klay Thompson is on it
-Andre Drummond is at 46, when he should be considerably higher
-Tobias Harris is on it
-Jrue Holiday and Cousins are in the top 40
Your hatred of Tobias Harris is so weird. He's been putting up numbers similar to what Melo did his first first couple of years since he got traded to Orlando.
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Whatever, Klay Thompson being on there is still a joke. Inefficient shooting guard who doesn't get to the line at all while being a mediocre passer/rebounder/defender? SIGN ME UP.
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I know the purpose of the list.. it's basically your opinion against mine. Both equally meaningless but fun to argue. Plus you're wrong.
It's not about the value of the player either.

It's been proven Boogie cannot be a success in Sacramento, they would get real good value in Andre Drummond. Drummond is going to be a monster PnR guy. I think he has the ability to be a MUCH better Tyson Chandler.
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It's not about the value of the player either.

It's been proven Boogie cannot be a success in Sacramento, they would get real good value in Andre Drummond. Drummond is going to be a monster PnR guy. I think he has the ability to be a MUCH better Tyson Chandler.
You know when they were talking to Shaq after his jersey retirement - they asked him about big men and what they need to do to be considered great players. He said Phil Jackson said when he got to LA that he needed to avg. 28 and 12 to be legitimate and thats what he always went for after that.

Cousins is capable of 28 and 12. I'm not sure Drummond has the ability to do that. He definitely has a better offensive game than Chandler but not refined enough like Cousins.
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Your hatred of Tobias Harris is so weird. He's been putting up numbers similar to what Melo did his first first couple of years since he got traded to Orlando.
He's a 6'8 20 year combo forward that had a mini hot streak on a hideous team. Andre Drummond is a 19 year old 7 footer that is already better than Tobias Harris. I WONDER WHO I'D TAKE.
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He's a 6'8 20 year combo forward that had a mini hot streak on a hideous team. Andre Drummond is a 19 year old 7 footer that is already better than Tobias Harris. I WONDER WHO I'D TAKE.
I didn't say anything about Drummond, you said Harris shouldn't be on there at all.

He's younger than a lot of guys who are going to be drafted this year and he's already showing flashes of being a good player. Your expectations of 20 year olds in their first major role in the NBA are ridiculous. It's not his fault the Magic are rebuilding.
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The last few pages of this thread have been terrible. Please go back to not talking about the Heat/LeBron ty.
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I didn't say anything about Drummond, you said Harris shouldn't be on there at all.

He's younger than a lot of guys who are going to be drafted this year and he's already showing flashes of being a good player. Your expectations of 20 year olds in their first major role in the NBA are ridiculous. It's not his fault the Magic are rebuilding.
He's still largely a chucker. He reminds me of a poor mans Josh Smith.
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You guys have such a romanticized vision of MJ, you can't even get the facts right. It's funny.

But, yeah, Klay Thompson should be nowhere near the top 50. I like Tobias, but I agree with Brody that he is too high....Tobias straight up for Josh Smith/Pau/Gallo/Bynum/Millsap/Conley/Faried/Drummond is a no brainer.
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Also, I was reminded of something...as much as I don't like Melo, multiply that hatred by 1 billion and you have my hatred for Karl Malone.
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Malone is one of the worst human beings to ever grace this planet. Melo is awesomesauce.
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Nothing wrong with Malone. He just told you how it was and a lot of people didn't like what he had to say. He was his own dude, spoke his mind and probably the best PF to ever play until Timmy came along.
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And he liked to rape teen girls.
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Nothing wrong with Malone. He just told you how it was and a lot of people didn't like what he had to say. He was his own dude, spoke his mind and probably the best PF to ever play until Timmy came along.
He impregnated a 13 year old.
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Nothing wrong with Malone. He just told you how it was and a lot of people didn't like what he had to say. He was his own dude, spoke his mind and probably the best PF to ever play until Timmy came along.
Clearly you know absolutely nothing about Malone as a person.
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