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Old 05-27-2013, 12:05 PM    (permalink
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The Pistons only have 1 more championship than the Knicks.

We have championship pedigree. Keep hatin.

And last time I checked, our team is infinitely better than the dogshit in Detroit right now.
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The Pistons only have 1 more championship than the Knicks.

We have championship pedigree. Keep hatin.

And last time I checked, our team is infinitely better than the dogshit in Detroit right now.
What pedigree? And when's the last team you actually won a title, exactly? Hell, in the last 12 years, you've won ONE playoff series. In that same time span, despite our current suckitude, we've won 16 series including multiple trips to the NBA Finals and a ring. So you can talk about how you are good now, but you don't have a team that will ever win a title the way it is currently constructed.
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Just make sure you enjoy watching us in the playoffs mkay?
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I think Ben Wallace could maybe start at PF for the Bad Boy Pistons. Maybe. I'm not terribly sure how good on offense Rick Mahorn was, but I'm pretty sure Ben could protect Laimbeer without any difficulty.

A few other things;

-I don't personally think Wallace was garbage in Chicago... but he wasn't worth his contract. For a pure defensive specialist to be worth 60 Million, he shouldn't just be a low post defender. He also needs to be a lethal shotblocker, a thief in the passing lanes, and capable of taking on perimeter players.

-In the '04 finals, Wallace only had one role; defend Shaq one-on-one. Did he succeed? On the one hand no, because Wallace gave up about four inches, a hundred pounds, and who knows how many inches of arm length to the guy. On the other, giving Shaq that kind of an advantage was a 'Rope-a-Dope' strategy, stunting the offensive flexibility LA had to offer and potentially combusting whatever remained of the Shaq/Kobe duo. Make no mistake, Detroit's title was highly unorthodox... not too much unlike the Bad Boys.

-I'd argue that Olajuwon was a better overall defender than Wallace because he had greater reach, which gave him more of a chance against the real big guys. Same for Mutombo. Ewing's more complicated; I'd take him all the way up to the '90 playoffs, but no later. By then his athleticism was worn down and he became complementary. You may have an argument with Duncan, who has always been more of a help defender than a pure stopper.

-Oh, by the way, Dennis Rodman started out as more of a Small Forward in Detroit who could shift to Power Forward in a pinch. He was sharing time at his position usually with Adrian Dantley pre-trade and Mark Aguirre post-trade. It wasn't until later in his career than he ended up a total Power Forward.

-As far as the best players of the Pistons during their first titles are, lemme offer a rebuttal. Adrian Dantley was a pure scorer who was traded because he complained about ceding PT to Dennis Rodman. Bill Laimbeer was a guy who got rebounds and buckets and infuriated just about everyone but wasn't an elite presence by any stretch. Rodman is a good call though. Meanwhile Isiah is the ringleader. Maybe he's diminished, but other than Dantley and Mark Aguirre, NOBODY else could take their shots. They either had a complimentary offensive game that needed a general, or they simply lacked the willingness to impose their will (Dumars comes to mind). Don't underestimate the value of a Point Guard who knows how to run the position.
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I'm curious to know how Wallace was better than Rodman, Olajuwon, Jordan and Pippen.
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I'm curious to know how Wallace was better than Rodman, Olajuwon, Jordan and Pippen.
Rodman was more of a rebounder than pure defender, MJ is not one of the best defensive players of the last 30 years so just stop, and post defenders are generally just superior than perimeter defenders because of their impact.
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Rodman was more of a rebounder than pure defender, MJ is not one of the best defensive players of the last 30 years so just stop, and post defenders are generally just superior than perimeter defenders because of their impact.
Rodman was an excellent on the ball defender in Chicago. He gave Malone a ton of fits.
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I think Ben Wallace could maybe start at PF for the Bad Boy Pistons. Maybe. I'm not terribly sure how good on offense Rick Mahorn was, but I'm pretty sure Ben could protect Laimbeer without any difficulty.

A few other things;

-I don't personally think Wallace was garbage in Chicago... but he wasn't worth his contract. For a pure defensive specialist to be worth 60 Million, he shouldn't just be a low post defender. He also needs to be a lethal shotblocker, a thief in the passing lanes, and capable of taking on perimeter players.

-In the '04 finals, Wallace only had one role; defend Shaq one-on-one. Did he succeed? On the one hand no, because Wallace gave up about four inches, a hundred pounds, and who knows how many inches of arm length to the guy. On the other, giving Shaq that kind of an advantage was a 'Rope-a-Dope' strategy, stunting the offensive flexibility LA had to offer and potentially combusting whatever remained of the Shaq/Kobe duo. Make no mistake, Detroit's title was highly unorthodox... not too much unlike the Bad Boys.

-I'd argue that Olajuwon was a better overall defender than Wallace because he had greater reach, which gave him more of a chance against the real big guys. Same for Mutombo. Ewing's more complicated; I'd take him all the way up to the '90 playoffs, but no later. By then his athleticism was worn down and he became complementary. You may have an argument with Duncan, who has always been more of a help defender than a pure stopper.

-Oh, by the way, Dennis Rodman started out as more of a Small Forward in Detroit who could shift to Power Forward in a pinch. He was sharing time at his position usually with Adrian Dantley pre-trade and Mark Aguirre post-trade. It wasn't until later in his career than he ended up a total Power Forward.

-As far as the best players of the Pistons during their first titles are, lemme offer a rebuttal. Adrian Dantley was a pure scorer who was traded because he complained about ceding PT to Dennis Rodman. Bill Laimbeer was a guy who got rebounds and buckets and infuriated just about everyone but wasn't an elite presence by any stretch. Rodman is a good call though. Meanwhile Isiah is the ringleader. Maybe he's diminished, but other than Dantley and Mark Aguirre, NOBODY else could take their shots. They either had a complimentary offensive game that needed a general, or they simply lacked the willingness to impose their will (Dumars comes to mind). Don't underestimate the value of a Point Guard who knows how to run the position.
Rick Mahorn didn't really do much, so he would easily start over Rick Mahorn.
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Their impact is relative to who they are playing against so that argument is stupid.
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Their impact is relative to who they are playing against so that argument is stupid.
But MJ isn't THAT good of a defender, it's just a false reputation. He was very good sure, but even close to Big Ben or even Ron Artest level? Absolutely not.
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But MJ isn't THAT good of a defender, it's just a false reputation. He was very good sure, but even close to Big Ben or even Ron Artest level? Absolutely not.
I was referring mostly to Pippen, who you discounted because he was primarily a perimeter defender, though he played plenty in the post as well. And besides, i think Ben Wallace was always a better help defender than a man to man guy, while Sheed was better suited to man up the bigger guys. He was a defensive enforcer but i don't even think he was his own era's best post defender, Duncan was a lot more impactful and a better overall defender.
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I was referring mostly to Pippen, who you discounted because he was primarily a perimeter defender, though he played plenty in the post as well. And besides, i think Ben Wallace was always a better help defender than a man to man guy, while Sheed was better suited to man up the bigger guys. He was a defensive enforcer but i don't even think he was his own era's best post defender, Duncan was a lot more impactful and a better overall defender.
Ben was elite at both, that's more of a fallacy than anything. And I know Pippen could play in the post if need be, but he didn't do it as often as he could have.
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Rodman was an excellent on the ball defender in Chicago. He gave Malone a ton of fits.
That's an understatement.
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Ben was elite at both, that's more of a fallacy than anything. And I know Pippen could play in the post if need be, but he didn't do it as often as he could have.
I disagree, i don't think he was elite at both.

I have a hard time calling someone who peaked for two years and regressed noticeably every year after that the best defender of the past thirty years. Hell it's plain dumb.
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I disagree, i don't think he was elite at both.

I have a hard time calling someone who peaked for two years and regressed noticeably every year after that the best defender of the past thirty years. Hell it's plain dumb.
He had a seven year run where he was an elite defender, so not really.
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He had a seven year run where he was an elite defender, so not really.
Well we obviously have different interpretations of the word elite. Not to mention that your comment completely disregards perimeter defenders, which is a whole other level of idiocy on it's own that i won't get into. But i'm sure you have some spreadsheet laying around somewhere that makes you feel like you're correct.
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Are we really having a discussion that Wallace was the best defender in the last 30 years? That's just crazy talk.
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Well we obviously have different interpretations of the word elite. Not to mention that your comment completely disregards perimeter defenders, which is a whole other level of idiocy on it's own that i won't get into. But i'm sure you have some spreadsheet laying around somewhere that makes you feel like you're correct.
No, I said that generally speaking elite post defenders have a larger impact than elite perimeter defenders, which is absolutely true and you're blind if you think otherwise. Also, nice little jab with the spreadsheet comment. It's okay though, you can always go for the cheap insults when you have nothing else.
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Are we really having a discussion that Wallace was the best defender in the last 30 years? That's just crazy talk.
Disregard everyone in the 80s, because nobody in the 80s played defense all that well anyway. So we go to the 90s, and we have Hakeem/Admiral/Mutombo/Pippen/Rodman (whatever I'll include them), and in the naughts we have Duncan/KG/Artest. Given that Ben (rightfully) won 4 defensive player of the year awards in the naughts, it's pretty easy to put him above those three. So we have the 90s four...again, generally speaking guys who full on play in the post are more impactful than guys who play on the perimeter, so good bye to Pippen. I still think Rodman was more of a rebounder than pure defender despite how good his man D was at times, his help D was meh on the whole. So now we have Hakeem, Mutombo and Admiral, all of whom I'd see an argument for. But given how effective the Pistons defense was in the early to mid naughts, I push for Big Ben.
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No, I said that generally speaking elite post defenders have a larger impact than elite perimeter defenders, which is absolutely true and you're blind if you think otherwise. Also, nice little jab with the spreadsheet comment. It's okay though, you can always go for the cheap insults when you have nothing else.
How's "you're blind if you disagree with me" any different than what you're crying about?
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