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I liked how when they asked LeBron what the difference this time will be playing the Spurs compared to 2007.

He said how he is obviously a better player now which we all know, but instead of just saying this team is a lot better, he just called that Cleveland team a very young team. He didn't throw them under the bus which was cool, or at least cool to me.
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LeBron is already a top 5 player of all time.

But he's still not Jordan. Jordan pre-first retirement is the most ridiculously elite player in the history of basketball, and it's not even close. LeBron is amazing, but he has a ways to go to be in that conversation, and thats not anything against him, that's just how great MJ was.

I think most people only remember Jordan from his 96-98 run nowadays, for whatever reason. He was still a very very good player, but as good as he was, he was a shade of his former self. He was slower, relied more on jumpers than getting to the rim and the foul line, and was no longer an elite perimeter defender. Pre retirement, Jordan was a complete terror on defense and was absolutely unstoppable on offense. 1988-1993 Jordan is untouchable.
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Kobe only having 1 mvp is a crime but mvps don't mean ****. 5 rings baby!!
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I don't think it's a crime, I'm not sure he's ever actually been the best player in basketball for a season. He's been a top tier player for over a decade, but he's never really had a blowaway MVP type campaign the way that Shaq or LeBron have during their peak runs.
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32.5/8/8 on 54%, with 2.9 steals a game. Damn. 37 a game when he was 23. xD

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I don't think it's a crime, I'm not sure he's ever actually been the best player in basketball for a season. He's been a top tier player for over a decade, but he's never really had a blowaway MVP type campaign the way that Shaq or LeBron have during their peak runs.
I feel he got cheated out of at least one MVP when Nash repeated...but whatevs...
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32.5/8/8 on 54%, with 2.9 steals a game. Damn. 37 a game when he was 23. xD

******* Jordan.
Holy inflated stats Batman. Seriously, the Bulls allowed 105 PPG that year and that was fifth BEST.
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No one cares Brody.
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That 34 win season from the Lakers...totally MVP-esque. And LeBron deserved it more in 05-06 Nash or Kobe.
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LeBron is already a top 5 player of all time.

But he's still not Jordan. Jordan pre-first retirement is the most ridiculously elite player in the history of basketball, and it's not even close. LeBron is amazing, but he has a ways to go to be in that conversation, and thats not anything against him, that's just how great MJ was.

I think most people only remember Jordan from his 96-98 run nowadays, for whatever reason. He was still a very very good player, but as good as he was, he was a shade of his former self. He was slower, relied more on jumpers than getting to the rim and the foul line, and was no longer an elite perimeter defender. Pre retirement, Jordan was a complete terror on defense and was absolutely unstoppable on offense. 1988-1993 Jordan is untouchable.

Just curious, since I agreed with your last explanation of the MVP voting, if Bron had just won his 6th MVP this year and wins a ring again this year would you still feel the same way? I know MJ definately has MVP's he probably should have won also but just for arguments sake. I also think while Jordan was a terror back during that era which I remember(I'm 30 so take that for what it's worth) but if Lebron wanted to he could score 40 points a game without much trouble. I think something has to be said for his passing, rebounding, and willingness to want to get everyone involved.
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I think that's why LeBron gets underrated a bit too, if anything. Jordan was a terror at getting to the rim, absolutely. However, LeBron is also a better passer than Jordan. And Jordan was a pretty good passer at times.

We've seen when the Heat and LeBron need to score he pretty much just does it at will. I think LeBron is a somewhat different player than Jordan.
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Just curious, since I agreed with your last explanation of the MVP voting, if Bron had just won his 6th MVP this year and wins a ring again this year would you still feel the same way? I know MJ definately has MVP's he probably should have won also but just for arguments sake. I also think while Jordan was a terror back during that era which I remember(I'm 30 so take that for what it's worth) but if Lebron wanted to he could score 40 points a game without much trouble. I think something has to be said for his passing, rebounding, and willingness to want to get everyone involved.
If LeBron wins his 2nd title and 2nd Finals MVP this year he'll be much closer, i think. At least to me, which is what this is all about. Obviously this is all from my perspective and I'm not trying to pass it off as fact that he's a top 5 player ever, as It's sort of impossible to prove that as fact. That being said, my view is that if LeBron has 2-3 more seasons like this year and last year, and adds a 3rd ring, then he's in the conversation with Jordan for the best we've ever seen.

The difference between the two is that while LeBron has been the best player in the league for a long time now, 88-93 Jordan was, to me, clearly one step above 05-10 LeBron. LeBron's last two seasons are where he's jumped into the conversation by evolving his game, becoming a LOT more efficient, and finally achieving major success in major games are there he's taken that step into all time elite territory.

Jordan was a better pure scorer (LeBron can score a ton, but Jordan had a better scoring skillset imo, just as lethal as LeBron going to the basket, but with a better midrange jump shot so that defenders were helpless when he had it in a triple threat stance), LeBron is a better passer (beats out Bird for the greatest passing non-PG of all time), they're both excellent rebounders for their position, and they're both tremendous defenders (Jordan was incredible in passing lanes, getting steals and denying perimeter players the ball, while LeBron is up there with Rodman as the best versatile top defender we've seen). As far as ability goes, they're pretty even. The only thing that really separates them are titles and the fact that LeBron hasn't had a 5 year run like Jordan had from 88-92 (33p/7r/6a/3s/1b/53%/3rings/elite D). However, if LeBron keeps up his current run for 2-3 more years, he'll have those too, with perhaps even better numbers, and then its a tossup.
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Even if someone surpasses MJ in stats or titles one day, they will never be considered greater than Jordan because he completed altered the sport. He popularized it, (similar to Tiger and golf) and took it to a level that inspired the entire world. The sport will never do that again. Combined with his pioneering of sports advertisement... there's no way anyone can EVER be compared to Jordan.
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Even if someone surpasses MJ in stats or titles one day, they will never be considered greater than Jordan because he completed altered the sport. He popularized it, (similar to Tiger and golf) and took it to a level that inspired the entire world. The sport will never do that again. Combined with his pioneering of sports advertisement... there's no way anyone can EVER be compared to Jordan.
None of that matters in terms of debating who was the best basketball player of all time.
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None of that matters in terms of debating who was the best basketball player of all time.
This x1000000. Yet people always feel the need the bring it up, as if this is a debate over who has made the most advertising money throughout their career.
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If it was truly a part of judging someone, then Magic and Bird would be 2 and 3 without a doubt since they saved the NBA.

I don't think it should be involved in the argument.
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And Dr. J and Allen Iverson would be a part of this conversation. It's a ridiculous argument.
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You're all so wrong. James Naismith is totes the GOAT.
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