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Old 06-04-2013, 11:06 PM    (permalink
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You're asking for facts to rationalize something that is based purely on subjective opinion. Am i the only one that sees the obvious paradox here? People will either agree on that or they won't, there isn't anything that makes you any more right than they are.
But what is an actual rational explanation for Lebron having a greater advantage than Jordan based solely on the way their teams happened to be formed?

If we both formed our teams separately and ended up with teams with identical talent, except you drafted all of your players and I signed all mine through free agency what is the difference? Is my team somehow more likely to win than yours? Because that's what this argument implies.
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DG, Yoda and Baller, I fully expect you to turn in your fan cards immediately. Or turn in your man card.

Oh c'mon....he just showed up. No one invited him.
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Monroe > Cousins
That's not even original. It's just stupid.
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Oh c'mon....he just showed up. No one invited him.
Sounds like rationalizing to me.
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That's not even original. It's just stupid.
Our team doesn't have any wings either and we had more wins.
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But what is an actual rational explanation for Lebron having a greater advantage than Jordan based solely on the way their teams happened to be formed?

If we both formed our teams separately and ended up with teams with identical talent, except you drafted all of your players and I signed all mine through free agency what is the difference? Is my team somehow more likely to win than yours? Because that's what this argument implies.
I didn't wanna get sucked into this discussion because it wasn't mine to make, but there is a difference when teams have significant financial advantages over other teams. If i gave you the option of choosing between two teams, all other things constant, would you say there's a bigger advantage and/or commodity to live in a city like LA/Miami/Chicago, or Cleveland/Milwaukee/Minneapolis?

There IS a difference when you build your team strictly through free agency, because some teams are able to spend more money, thus having a better opportunity at building a supporting cast, and some destinations are just more attractive overall, so in the long run you're more likely to attract players there.

If OKC had Laker money, they'd have three top five players in the NBA right now signed to long term extensions.
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We all know Cousins is better than Monroe....

but putting that aside - Monroe/Drummond is nasty and I just feel like if you give Knight one more year to show what he's got (the dude can ball I swear!) and add that wing player. I kind of like the Detroit future.

Exception : If you sign OJ Mayo, I take all of this back.
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I didn't wanna get sucked into this discussion because it wasn't mine to make, but there is a difference when teams have significant financial advantages over other teams. If i gave you the option of choosing between two teams, all other things constant, would you say there's a bigger advantage and/or commodity to live in a city like LA/Miami/Chicago, or Cleveland/Milwaukee/Minneapolis?

There IS a difference when you build your team strictly through free agency, because some teams are able to spend more money, thus having a better opportunity at building a supporting cast, and some destinations are just more attractive overall, so in the long run you're more likely to attract players there.

If OKC had Laker money, they'd have three top five players in the NBA right now signed to long term extensions.
That might be a fair point to an extent in a different situation, but in the Lebron/MJ context where is the location/financial advantage between Chicago and Miami? Both teams are in big markets and in locations where players historically like to play.
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If OKC had Laker money, they'd have three top five players in the NBA right now signed to long term extensions.

So Steph Curry isn't > Harden anymore?
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That might be a fair point to an extent in a different situation, but in the Lebron/MJ context where is the location/financial advantage between Chicago and Miami? Both teams are in big markets and in locations where players historically like to play.
I wasn't involved in that discussion. I was just pointing out that there IS a difference between the two. Whether there is or isn't in that particular situation is really not my concern.

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So Steph Curry isn't > Harden anymore?
I was mostly embellishing. Curry is clearly superior and my #4. Harden is somewhere between 6-10.
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We all know Cousins is better than Monroe....

but putting that aside - Monroe/Drummond is nasty and I just feel like if you give Knight one more year to show what he's got (the dude can ball I swear!) and add that wing player. I kind of like the Detroit future.

Exception : If you sign OJ Mayo, I take all of this back.
Knight is dogshit.
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Fits in perfectly with the rest of the Pistons.
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Fits in perfectly with the rest of the Pistons.
If you had a franchise cornerstone like Drummond, you'd understand.
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Bynum is a free agent? .........................
Bynum also can't feel his legs.
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Yes. The Suns will sign him, pump him full of HGH and he will dominate again.
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