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Old 06-05-2013, 10:10 AM    (permalink
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See I have absolutely no problem with this. I'm with you, let's wait until his career is over before we start throwing labels on him.

My issue is when I hear people come in here and say he's already the 2nd greatest of all time, or are projecting him to be that.

Forget Jordan, that's a slap in the face to guys like Magic, Robertson, West, Chamberlain, even Abdul Jabbar and Kobe. It's just way too early to put a label on LeBron.

There were a lot of great players in this game. LeBron has a long way to go, and to be fair to him, he has plenty of time to establish himself in that tier. It's just not fair to put him there yet.

That I can agree with, I'm ok with saying he's one of the most talented players ever to play the game, but if he retired today he certainly wouldn't be #2. I'm more interested in seeing if he can stay durable through his 30's, and how his game evolves when his athleticism isn't just freakishly off the charts.
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I can't speak directly for those 2 guys bc I never saw them play, but I have had conversations with people who have, and they'll tell you that West and Robertson were studs who get lost in the GOAT discussion bc they're old and people just don't remember them.

They also have the statistics and accomplishments to back them up. I understand it was a different league then, and again, I can't make too strong of an argument for them bc I didn't get to see them play, but I think their biggest crime is being in a forgotten era.
Those guys would argue that West was just cut down by the dominant Celtics teams. West also had great teams but just couldn't dominate. Jerry West probably has had a bigger impact off the court than he did on the court.

No one liked the Big O. He was like Jordan, as he was the biggest asshole of all time, but he didn't win. It might be why I have a negative view of him. He used to be my favorite old player because he averaged a triple a double, but that made me read a couple biographies on him. He was so unlikable and no one had too much to say positive about him because of it. Basically it was he was a great player, but....
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That I can agree with, I'm ok with saying he's one of the most talented players ever to play the game, but if he retired today he certainly wouldn't be #2. I'm more interested in seeing if he can stay durable through his 30's, and how his game evolves when his athleticism isn't just freakishly off the charts.
I've always wanted to see Lebron develop into more of a post player than a jump shooter and I'm kind of hoping that's what he does as he gets older. His combination of size and athleticism, even as he ages, would be hard to defend for most big men.

Also unless he makes some serious strides, I can't envision him turning into more of a jump shooting primary player.
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The thing is, LeBron is such a freak athlete I don't know if we'll ever see a dramatic dip in athleticism that would cause him to change his game that much from what it already is.

Even when he's 35 he's still gonna be a bull. He just needs to tweak his game. Someone here said it awhile ago, and I think this analogy is spot on, he's the Shaq of wing men. Just such a physical imposing figure that he can pretty much dictate his game onto you for his whole career even when the athleticism fades.
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The thing is, LeBron is such a freak athlete I don't know if we'll ever see a dramatic dip in athleticism that would cause him to change his game that much from what it already is.

Even when he's 35 he's still gonna be a bull. He just needs to tweak his game. Someone here said it awhile ago, and I think this analogy is spot on, he's the Shaq of wing men. Just such a physical imposing figure that he can pretty much dictate his game onto you for his whole career even when the athleticism fades.
He will turn into Karl Malone when he is older. That is a damn good player. The biggest drop off will probably be defensively. Instead of being able to guard 1-5 he might only be able to guard 3-5.
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The thing is, LeBron is such a freak athlete I don't know if we'll ever see a dramatic dip in athleticism that would cause him to change his game that much from what it already is.

Even when he's 35 he's still gonna be a bull. He just needs to tweak his game. Someone here said it awhile ago, and I think this analogy is spot on, he's the Shaq of wing men. Just such a physical imposing figure that he can pretty much dictate his game onto you for his whole career even when the athleticism fades.
Ehhh I get the "Shaq of wing men" comparison from a physical standpoint, but in terms of their skills and how they play it's not a good comparison at all.

Shaq never had to redefine his game entire as he got older. He was always a post player and just had to develop more of a finesse game (baby hooks and post moves) as he got older vs. straight up overpowering everyone and dunking. Wing players are completely different, even Lebron. Will he always be able to drive and score? Of course. But even Lebron is going to slow down at some point and won't be able to physically get abused in the lane on by big men on every drive his entire career.
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It was a crime that LeBron wasn't DPOY this year. He's without question in my eyes the best defender in the game. He can literally shut out just about anyone if he puts his energy into it.

And the crazy part is his stamina is so off the charts, he can dedicate himself to blanking any player and still have the ability to never tire on offense for an entire game.
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I like Van Gundy for the Nets too. I think both would be great hires.
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Van Gundy would be a great hire just so we don't have to listen to him talk anymore during broadcasts.
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Remember when Van Gundy used to coach the Knicks and we stomped your face out?

Don't talk about my man like that.
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shaw, hollins or van gundy. i'd take any of the 3 with great pleasure
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Sooooooo... Apparently Chris Webber wants the GM position with the Kings.
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Don't talk about my man like that.
You mean this type of Bulls team after everyone left because JVG couldn't beat them?

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Yup, pretty impressive...

And I don't mind JVG in the booth usually, just not when he does Bulls games. He acts like he wasn't the Bulls' ***** at the onset of his Knicks career, and that beating the Bulls in the dark years was something to brag about.
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We'll settle this in 2014!

And you won't have an excuse either, bc Rose will be back.
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We'll settle this in 2014!

And you won't have an excuse either, bc Rose will be back.
So, you have to work up yours? MELO NEEDS MORE. HE WAS HURT. I SWEAR.

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Same here - him and his brother are both entertaining.
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Wow, that's crazy. That would be amazing PR, but i'm not sure you can give the reigns to a team to a guy with zero management experience. I'd love to have him on board, but i'm not gonna lie, i'd be a little scared. It would depend in what direction he wanted to take the team from a foundation standpoint and whether it clashes with Malone's perspective.
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I don't get it personally......although I think Webber is a dud sooo I'm biased.


Just think the Kings need someone with experience as they are overhauling the whole organization.
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How exactly is Chris Webber qualified to be a GM?

It would be a stupid move.
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Steve Kerr wasn't qualified either and he got a job. Granted, he probably did a ****** job in Phoenix but it wouldn't be the first time it happened. I think C-Dub is a great basketball mind, but i'd want him to have just a teeny bit of experience before i let him take full control of a team.

On a slightly different note, hearing Mike Malone's interviews as he talks about how he wants to improve the defense first and foremost to create fast break opportunities is making me excited. He also mentioned how he wants to attack with Cousins early and often in the post. I hope this means no more of this high post action that takes him away from his strengths. Well, at least a lot less of that.
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How exactly is Chris Webber qualified to be a GM?

It would be a stupid move.
Qualifications for being an NBA GM don't require a lot. Heck, some guys jump in from broadcasting to get that gig. So many former white NBA players get those jobs with less merit than CWebb. I don't see the hang up to be honest. When he has stuff to say it sticks out to me. I think he has a passion for it and knows what it takes to be successful.

This was an oldie but goodie... but it stuck out to me because the Magic needed a GM a couple years ago and I even thought about Webber back then.

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