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Old 06-29-2013, 02:59 PM    (permalink
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He's about average, but that doesn't make it any smarter. If he shoots 43 percent on 10 shots from 10-23 feet (which is about right, give or take 2 shots) a game, then you're basically getting 86 points per 100 shots, which is pretty goddamn weak. You know what a three point shooter would have to shoot to beat that? 29 percent. Factor in how Aldridge is actually really damn good inside but usually only shoots around 3-5 times inside a game, his game is stupid.
Long twos are awful. But you have to consider that Portland is pretty damn bad. And doc will hopefully be able to reign him in.
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Long twos are awful. But you have to consider that Portland is pretty damn bad. And doc will hopefully be able to reign him in.
So what if they're bad, it doesn't excuse things. Hell, Houston's combined starting five averaged less long twos than Aldridge did a game. And they were the second best offense in all of basketball because of this, as they know that long twos are stupid and get you nowhere.
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I don't think the C's will trade Rondo. They can easily still tank next year and keep him on the roster. Unless he is just that intolerable of a teammate, why give up a legit, in-his-prime star during a rebuild?
I don't think they can tank hard enough for a shot at Wiggins with Rondo and Green (with those two and a healthy Bradley/Sullinger, they'll compete for a playoff spot). But if they can get Wiggins without having to get rid of Rondo or Green... Oh boy.
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I don't think they can tank hard enough for a shot at Wiggins with Rondo and Green. But if they can get Wiggins without having to get rid of Rondo or Green... Oh boy.
It's not like Green is a star here. A few good games doesn't erase from the fact that he's a pretty average player.
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Toronto trying to get Bledsoe for Derozan and Bargnani.

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bledsoe is just a bonus, dumping those contracts would be insane
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It's not like Green is a star here. A few good games doesn't erase from the fact that he's a pretty average player.
He's not a star right now, but he's good two-way forward who has the skillset to become one (though I expect him to simply be good-to-very good). His ability to guard 4 positions and hit the net at a high rate lets the Celtics matchup with any of the non-Heat/Bulls/Nets teams.

They'll be sketchy up front, defensively, but Green, Wallace, Rondo, and even Bradley (when healthy) are high quality defenders.

Olynyk
Green
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Rondo

Isn't that bad of a starting 5 with Sully, Lee, and Bass on the bench, especially not if Wallace gets his **** together (which, I fear, he will).

We're not talking about a team advancing past the first round of the playoffs, but it's a team that could definitely make the playoffs. Which doesn't make a ton of sense considering the move to dump Pierce and KG.
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i doubt rondo plays much next year so

Bradley
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thats a bottom 5 team with a $70MM roster
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I think I'd fully support this deal for the Celtics.
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It's not like Green is a star here. A few good games doesn't erase from the fact that he's a pretty average player.
And the fact that they can easily make Rondo miss most of the season. Jeff Green as your best player is astoundingly bad.
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If Rondo can just chillax this year and "rehab his ACL" we will be total poop. I'm assuming that is the goal.
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If Rondo can just chillax this year and "rehab his ACL" we will be total poop. I'm assuming that is the goal.
I mean, it really should be. There will be very few teams worse than you.
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Pistons are also trying to get Eric Bledsoe... Somehow...
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I mean, it really should be. There will be very few teams worse than you.
Exactly. If we tank this year and add one of the 2014 studs we can then try to swap some of the younger complimentary pieces (Bradley/Sully/Green/Olynyk/Brooks/whatever) plus a bundle of picks for a more established star.

Rondo, 2014 stud, acquired star, plus whatever young pieces and picks that are left is a decent core to go forward with.
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Celtics fans' view of Rondo being a toxic player is on the level of absurd.
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The Mavs are hoping that the addition of Rondo will be enough to attract Dwight Howard to the Mavs. Of course, Celtics GM Danny Ainge has said that the team wants to build around Rondo and they're not looking to trade him. However, the Celtics have made it clear that they're going to tank in an effort for a high pick in the 2014 NBA Draft. Dallas will need to take on some of Boston's bad contracts -- like Gerald Wallace's -- and would likely give up Shawn Marion's expiring contract with young players like newly-drafted Shane Larkin. A Wallace contract on the books would also eliminate the chances of signing Howard. It's an interesting exchange, but it's a longshot at this point.
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Would this take them out of contention for Evans too?
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Larkin, Ledo, & 3 1sts for Wallace & Rondo?
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I fail to see how something like this makes Dallas a contender. There has to be something else--multiple moves--in order to make them title contenders again. That's an old team with not a lot going for them.
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Dallas makes no sense to me as a trading partner.

-They won't want to absorb big contracts in their pursuit of Dwight. Even if they don't get Dwight I doubt they'd want those contracts going forward.
-They don't own their 2014 pick (though it is protected)
-The don't have any tantalizing young prospects
-If the Celtics really wanted Larkin they would have just picked him themselves
-Jrue Holiday fetched the #6 pick in the 2013 draft and a likely lotto pick in the 2014 draft

And that'd just from the Celtics perspective. I don't really see if from the Dallas side either.
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Knicks close to acquring Bargnani for Camby and two future (1st/2nd round) picks.

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Knicks close to acquring Bargnani for Camby and two future (1st/2nd round) picks.

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Old 06-30-2013, 05:11 PM    (permalink
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Dallas would do it post-Howard signing. Still don't really see it happening.

There's just no way Dallas can afford add Rondo, Howard, the bad contracts they'll have to take on to get Rondo, and still fill out the rest of the roster.

I mean..maybe...but that's a tough one to make happen.

They are sitting at $25.9m with Dirk and Vince Carter. Marion and Jae Crowder make up just over $10m in contracts they are definitely responsible for in 2013-14.

Rondo counts $12m and Howard will cost $16m. Between those two and the money they already are paying Dirk and Vince, they'd have ~$4.5m to take on salaries and fill out a roster... I just don't see how they can take on the salary they need to take on to get Boston to even consider it.
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Forgot, Novak is included in the deal too.
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