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Old 08-08-2013, 10:29 PM    (permalink
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Phil mentions in his book that Kobe was very obsessive with MJ, trying to copy moves and what not and just trying to surpass him.

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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Too bad LeBron is better than Kobe ever was, and he never had the psychotic obsession Kobe did.
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Lebron has unquestionably reached the higher highs when compared to Kobe (w/ the exception of best individual game.....have to give Kobe's 81 a tip of the cap there). Overall though, from a general full season contribution perspective, it is no contest.

Whether he has passed him all time is a matter how much you value rings/drop Kobe for playing with Shaq and being a clear 2nd banana for some of said rings. Regardless, it is just a matter of time barring injury or a Space Jam like loss of talent for Lebron.
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Regardless, it is just a matter of time barring injury or a Space Jam like loss of talent for Lebron.
Honestly though, it really isn't a matter of time. He could retire today and he'd still be ahead of Kobe.
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Lebron has unquestionably reached the higher highs when compared to Kobe (w/ the exception of best individual game.....have to give Kobe's 81 a tip of the cap there). Overall though, from a general full season contribution perspective, it is no contest.

Whether he has passed him all time is a matter how much you value rings/drop Kobe for playing with Shaq and being a clear 2nd banana for some of said rings. Regardless, it is just a matter of time barring injury or a Space Jam like loss of talent for Lebron.
There's zero question he passed him all time.

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Honestly though, it really isn't a matter of time. He could retire today and he'd still be ahead of Kobe.
For me, absolutely. But I could see the argument I guess.
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There isn't really an argument. LeBron has been the best player in the league for around 5-6 years now. Kobe MIGHT have been the best for a year or two, that's it.
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Kobe may be a douche, and Lebron is probably already past him in terms of legacy, but he still will go down as an all-time great.
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Kobe may not be as great as Lebron, but I'd say copying Michael has worked out pretty well for him.
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Umm he deserves all of it.
No he doesn't. Pau Gasol was the best player of his fifth title, and Shaq was the best player of his first three.
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You guys are greatly diminishing how great Kobe was in his prime. Further proving to me you all don't know **** about basketball.

Yeah he was a douche. So what. He's still a legend. Wake me up when LeBron drops 70.

LeBron will be better than Kobe by the end of his career. To say he already has passed him is just ridiculous.

Funny how a Ray Allen 3 pointer changes perception. Without that shot, we're talking about how LeBron is still an underachiever today.

Sit your asses down. This is why I troll all of you.

Oh and Kevin Durant is a clown.
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LeBron against Detroit in the Eastern Conference finals > Kobe's 81 against the Raptors.
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You guys are greatly diminishing how great Kobe was in his prime. Further proving to me you all don't know **** about basketball.

Yeah he was a douche. So what. He's still a legend. Wake me up when LeBron drops 70.

LeBron will be better than Kobe by the end of his career. To say he already has passed him is just ridiculous.

Funny how a Ray Allen 3 pointer changes perception. Without that shot, we're talking about how LeBron is still an underachiever today.

Sit your asses down. This is why I troll all of you.
100% this. The fact I'm 100% agreeing with BBD makes me wonder if I have been drinking this morning.

It is also comical that in every "Kobe is overrated" post it is pointed out that played with one other superstar during his ring years. Why is it excused that Lebron teamed up with TWO superstars in order to win his rings.


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The fact that you are comparing a less than prime Wade and Chris Bosh to probably the most dominant player ever is absurd. Prime, in shape Shaq was unmatched. IF he actually worked out during the summer we would probably be talking about him as the best big man of all time.
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100% this. The fact I'm 100% agreeing with BBD makes me wonder if I have been drinking this morning.

It is also comical that in every "Kobe is overrated" post it is pointed out that he played with Shaq or Pau. So Kobe had one other superstar on his team when he won his rings but Lebron clearly didn't sign with TWO other superstars in Miami.

lol Shaq is better than anyone Lebron has ever, or likely will ever play with.

I don't even care or want to analyze who is better at this point, but that point is just pure hilarity.
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lol Shaq is better than anyone Lebron has ever, or likely will ever play with.

I don't even care or want to analyze who is better at this point, but that point is just pure hilarity.
Did I say "Bosh and Wade are better than Shaq?". Or did I say the complaint for Kobe was that he played with one other superstar during his rings while no one questions Lebron's needing to grab two superstars for his team.

Just saw Rob as well. The point I was making is you can't use the need of a star supporting player as a negative for one player and not the other. I'll edit the original post so as to reflect this. I never made a comparison between Shaq vs Old Wade + Bosh.

I do 100% agree that Shaq is easily better than Lebron's supporting cast/future supporting cast. Honestly if Shaq applied himself throughout his career he would be in the greatest conversation over both the aforementioned Kobe/Lebron debate.

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Yeah that makes sense except for the fact that Kobe won 2 rings without Shaq.

His #2 was Pau Gasol. Last time I checked Pau isn't 50% Dwayne Wade let alone Wade + Bosh.
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Did I say "Bosh and Wade are better than Shaq?". Or did I say the complaint for Kobe was that he played with one other superstar during his rings while no one questions Lebron's needing to grab two superstars for his team.

Just saw Rob as well. The point I was making is you can't use the need of a star supporting player as a negative for one player and not the other. I'll edit the original post so as to reflect this. I never made a comparison between Shaq vs Old Wade + Bosh.

I do 100% agree that Shaq is easily better than Lebron's supporting cast/future supporting cast. Honestly if Shaq applied himself throughout his career he would be in the greatest conversation over both the aforementioned Kobe/Lebron debate.
I don't like using teammates either. I also think rings are pretty overrated in general. I just watch them play basketball and then apply some modern statistical thinking. Lebron is a much better player than Kobe ever was and that's that.
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I remember watching the 1996 McDonald's All-American Game. After one of Kobe's dunks, the commentator exclaimed "Oh my god! That was Jordan-esque!"
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Rings are not overrated. Especially in basketball where a superstar can take over games.

Baseball yes. Football...somewhat. Not basketball. Rings matter in basketball.
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