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Old 11-15-2013, 12:18 AM    (permalink
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Rose looked healthy in the preseason, but I suppose the long layoff takes some time to overcome.

Kyrie needs to recover though. He's one of the top 5 most fun players to watch in the league, and Cleveland shouldn't be this bad.
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Westbrook with the dagger! and then IGGY FTW!

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Great game, I love the Warriors this year. Iggy in a perfect spot!
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What's up with Lin is that he is a mediocre PG that is a starter for bottom half teams and is a backup PG for top half teams that was signed to a contract way above his value, who will occasionally have a string of 2-3 nice offensive games but can't defend and turns the ball over a ton.

That, and Patrick Beverley is the ******* truth.
Patrick Beverley is useless. Dude is good for 15-20 mins of high energy play off the bench, but he shouldn't be starting and playing 30 mins a game. He's a hard worker on D, but completely lost on offense. Dude can't run an offense to save his life.

Jeremy Lin is the real ******* truth.
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I'm gonna look at the positives:

If we can just make it to the playoffs, and if Bargs can continue to develop, JR gets healthier (he's not all there yet), and Tyson can come back for the playoffs, then we might do some damage.

We need Bargs to keep playing like this. If he can be a stretch 4 for us and play like this throughout the season, we'll be pretty good when Chandler comes back.
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Patrick Beverley is useless. Dude is good for 15-20 mins of high energy play off the bench, but he shouldn't be starting and playing 30 mins a game. He's a hard worker on D, but completely lost on offense. Dude can't run an offense to save his life.

Jeremy Lin is the real ******* truth.
My comment about Beverley was more tongue in cheek. I do like him, but he's not great.

Lin is hovering around middle of the pack starting PG, he's definitely not the truth to anything.
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Jeremy Lin is the truth. Dude can ball. If he's the focal point on offense he can drop 25 a night.
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And if Jeremy Lin is the focal point of your offense, you are the worst team in the league.
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I don't get the Lin hate. All he does is produce when he's given the opportunity.

He sucks on defense but I don't see how you can question his offense. He can score. He doesn't even turn it over all that much anymore.
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If you're specifically talking to me, I'm not questioning his offense at all. He is a good player who can score, but is inconsistent, and still turns it over a little too much. His defense leaves a lot to be desired, but isn't the worst.

All I've said is he tends to get overrated, and is probably hovering around 15th best starting PG in the NBA. That's not bad at all, but is average compared to other starting PGs.

Plus what Rob said. Lin should never be the focal point of offense on a good team. He has never had to be other than on the occassional night, but over a full season that team would probably miss the playoffs.
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Name 15 point guards you'd rather have over him.
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Yeah, Lin is a fine player. But for him to score 25 ppg, he would probably shoot ~40% and turn it over 4.5 times per game.
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Honestly, I know we all say he's overrated and overpaid, but is he?

If he's your 6th man who gives you instant offense off the bench, isn't that worth 8 mill if you managed your cap around him?

Ok maybe that's worth 5 mill, but he's probably the best bench scorer in the league. And most NBA players are overpaid in general, so I don't really have a problem with it.
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Wall
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Parker
Conley

That's 12 and I'd personally probably take Chalmers and Lowry over him at this point, so there's 14. Lin is arguably in the 13-16 range, but definitely not top 12.
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Name 15 point guards you'd rather have over him.
Chris Paul
Steph Curry
Russel Westbrook
Tony Parker
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Mike Conley
Kyrie Irving
Damian Lillard
Ricky Rubio
Deron Williams
Ty Lawson
Jon Wall
Jeff Teague
Eric Bledsoe

Then there are a slew of guys that you could make a case for (Calderon, J'Rue, Dragic, Kemba, Jennings etc).

There are a **** ton of good PG now.
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Kyrie
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Wall
Lawson
Parker
Conley

That's 12 and I'd personally probably take Chalmers and Lowry over him at this point, so there's 14. Lin is arguably in the 13-16 range, but definitely not top 12.
Ok, I'll give you that. But lulz at taking Chalmers over Lin.
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How are there so many good PGs out there and we have none of them?

I hate basketball so much.
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Ha, I forgot Westbrook. So there's 13.

I forgot Teague as well, but I'm really meh on Teague. I haven't watched him at all this year, so I suppose he probably has gotten better but I would put him right around the 15-18 range as well.

But ya, there are a bunch of good PGs in the league now. Not elite, but really good.
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Ok, I'll give you that. But lulz at taking Chalmers over Lin.
That's just my preference for the type of PG he is. If I'm building a team around a PG, I wouldn't take Chalmers or Lin. But if I'm taking a PG to run an offense, distribute the ball and get out of the way, and play solid D, I'll take Chalmers over Lin all day.

In general, I'm not really a huge fan of building a team around a ball dominant scoring PG. I know that's weird because that's what the Bulls are doing, and I'm fine with that, but in a perfect world my preference would be to have a PG like Rondo/CP3/Nash in his prime, and then have a dominant big man and athletic wings.
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Ha, I forgot Westbrook. So there's 13.

I forgot Teague as well, but I'm really meh on Teague. I haven't watched him at all this year, so I suppose he probably has gotten better but I would put him right around the 15-18 range as well.

But ya, there are a bunch of good PGs in the league now. Not elite, but really good.
Lillard is unquestionably better than Lin.
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That's just my preference for the type of PG he is. If I'm building a team around a PG, I wouldn't take Chalmers or Lin. But if I'm taking a PG to run an offense, distribute the ball and get out of the way, and play solid D, I'll take Chalmers over Lin all day.

In general, I'm not really a huge fan of building a team around a ball dominant scoring PG. I know that's weird because that's what the Bulls are doing, and I'm fine with that, but in a perfect world my preference would be to have a PG like Rondo/CP3/Nash in his prime, and then have a dominant big man and athletic wings.
I think it's impossible to build basketball teams in a vacuum bc it's just so hard to find a collection of good players to fill a roster, but if I could build a team in a vacuum they'd look like the Pacers, except throw a guy like Bledsoe in at PG.

Ideally, that's how I would build a team. Long, athletic, tough defense all over the court, big man with a post game, dominant paint defense/rebouding, and a wing who can provide perimeter scoring and defense.
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Lillard is unquestionably better than Lin.
You mean Teague? I know Lillard is. I would put Teague ahead of Lin, but as I said personally I'm just meh on him in general.
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You mean Teague? I know Lillard is. I would put Teague ahead of Lin, but as I said personally I'm just meh on him in general.
Oh. Missed him on your list. Was trying to see who we had different. But, yeah, I think it is pretty clear Teague is better.
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