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Old 03-19-2014, 02:52 PM    (permalink
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With Phil bringing the triangle to NY, I wonder if we need a PG as much as we used to. Phil never really put much emphasis on PG.

If the Knicks keep Melo, and play him at the 4, and if the rumors of Phil being high on Shump are true, then you have:

C: ?
PF: Melo
SF: Shump
SG: Hardaway Jr
PG: ?

As the potential lineup moving forward. Before it seemed like a slam dunk that the Knicks needed a great PG, but now with the triangle I don't know if they emphasize the position as much.

It makes me wonder if we go after a guy like Shaun Livingston to play PG for us. He fits the mold of a Phil Jackson PG. He's a good defender, smart, and he can hit some open 3s.

Only question is how much he's going to cost after breaking out in Brooklyn.

The other question is what position the 2nd star player will play (realistically I expect Phil to recruit another star player in 2015 to play with Melo).
That is a terrible triangle team...and a lousy start to a lineup.
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That is a terrible triangle team...and a lousy start to a lineup.
I don't know much about the Triangle, why would it be a terrible triangle team?

What qualities does the triangle look for in each position?
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He can in theory fit, but he's not exactly the best passer, which could limit his effectiveness in it.
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You're talking about Livingston?

I thought the triangle minimized the need for a great passing PG? Half the time the PG doesn't even bring up the ball in a triangle offense from what I recall.
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Fun fact, Phil Jackson has only won 1 COY award and it took 72 wins to do it.
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You're talking about Livingston?

I thought the triangle minimized the need for a great passing PG? Half the time the PG doesn't even bring up the ball in a triangle offense from what I recall.
I meant Melo.
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I meant Melo.
The triangle always has room for scorers. He adjusted it for Shaq, he'll tweak it for Melo too.

If Melo leaves I want Aldridge as his replacement.
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Melo would need to pretty much play exclusively on the block and would need to look to do more than just score when he got the ball down low. (in the lineup you proposed)

It theory, it could be tweaked and would work fine, but Melo iso ball would need to be effectively eliminated.
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I don't even know what Phil Jackson expects to accomplish personnel wise. I can't even think of a dream scenario, with or without Melo, that doesn't involve James.

The class of 2015 was supposed to be special but Kyrie, Love, and Aldridge?

Kyrie's not that good, Love's good but is he going to change the fortunes - he sucks on D and is not proven to be a No. 1 option who wins, and Aldridge is just OK.

Like if everrrrrrrrrrything broke right, what would they even look like?

PG: Kyrie
SG: THJ
SF: ?
PF: Melo
C: Aldridge

Like is that what we're hoping for? Meh.

I don't really get what Jackson's going to do to help the team contend personnel-wise in the next two offseasons... unless he gets LeBron.
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That team would be like Big 3 Heat ultra-lite. Not nearly as good of players and just as crappy of a bench (at the beginning).
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That's exactly my point. That team wouldn't win a championship. Even if you substituted Melo for Love.

Bleh. I mean I guess it could if Kyrie made a huge leap.

I wish Wall was a FA.
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Aldridge against Hibbert, Noah, Drummond, etc? Come on now, the reason they are doing so well is because Lopez is going against them. Aldridge at center already is a recipe to not win the whole thing.
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I don't even know what Phil Jackson expects to accomplish personnel wise. I can't even think of a dream scenario, with or without Melo, that doesn't involve James.

The class of 2015 was supposed to be special but Kyrie, Love, and Aldridge?

Kyrie's not that good, Love's good but is he going to change the fortunes - he sucks on D and is not proven to be a No. 1 option who wins, and Aldridge is just OK.

Like if everrrrrrrrrrything broke right, what would they even look like?

PG: Kyrie
SG: THJ
SF: ?
PF: Melo
C: Aldridge

Like is that what we're hoping for? Meh.

I don't really get what Jackson's going to do to help the team contend personnel-wise in the next two offseasons... unless he gets LeBron.
The main issue is getting the players into a system and getting rid of anyone who doesn't buy-in to it. The real issue with the Knicks is Woodson ******* blows.

You put the guys they have now into a triangle offense and have them buying in to what Phil and his coaching staff are trying to accomplish, and they'll win. Felton, Shumpert/Hardaway, Melo, Amare, and Chandler is a pretty ideal starting 5 for Phil. He needs front court depth and reliable shooters off the bench. More importantly, he needs a higher percentage of smart basketball players on this team. That's where the real discrepancy is at the moment.
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Stupid Knicks are going to blow this. I was eagerly awaiting the BBD overreaction if we won handily.
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#AStormIsComing

It's amazing what this team can do when they actually care about winning. Now we need the stupid Hawks to start losing so we can upset the Pacers in 6 games in the 1st round of the playoffs, sweep the Bulls in the 2nd round, and beat the Heat in 6, then beat the Rockets in 5 to complete the storm.
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this whole knicks playoff push is hilarious considering they're still 4 games out...and only 2 ahead of Cleveland. All this winning is doing is thwarting my dreams of Ty Lawson and Wiggins running the sweetest up-tempo, fast-break, alley-oop filled offense
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It's amazing what this team can do when they actually care about winning. Now we need the stupid Hawks to start losing so we can upset the Pacers in 6 games in the 1st round of the playoffs, sweep the Bulls in the 2nd round, and beat the Heat in 6, then beat the Rockets in 5 to complete the storm.
I am pretty much expecting the Pacers to get upset in round 2 at this point versus the Bulls or the Nets.
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this whole knicks playoff push is hilarious considering they're still 4 games out...and only 2 ahead of Cleveland. All this winning is doing is thwarting my dreams of Ty Lawson and Wiggins running the sweetest up-tempo, fast-break, alley-oop filled offense
The Nets are irrelevant and will get housed by Chicago again this year. Move along.

Oh and give us Shaun Livingston.
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I am pretty much expecting the Pacers to get upset in round 2 at this point versus the Bulls or the Nets.
They just don't look good anymore. It's almost like they ran out of gas. Their biggest problem is they need more 3 point shooters on their team, and a PG.
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I kind of like that Stevens is playing Olynyk and Sullinger in the roles he expects them to be in next year.
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Adreian Payne could work his way up draft boards. Huge performance today and his skill set is valued. Unfortunately, upperclassman have a tendency to be overlooked.
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this whole knicks playoff push is hilarious considering they're still 4 games out...and only 2 ahead of Cleveland. All this winning is doing is thwarting my dreams of Ty Lawson and Wiggins running the sweetest up-tempo, fast-break, alley-oop filled offense
Wiggins is going to Philly anyways...
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No. A Lawson-wiggins-faried fast break offense would've been kids-rj-Martin esque and I would've loved it
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