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Old 07-08-2014, 04:14 PM    (permalink
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It's definitely odd at how few championship winning teams had elite PGs. Outside of Magic, none of my top 20 PGs of all time were the clear #1 guy on a title winning team.

Walt Frazier, Isiah Thomas, Chauncey Billups, and Tony Parker are the only arguable ones, but as good as they all are/were, they were just pieces of great overall teams rather than the clear main guy.
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Glad to see people realizing it. Your PG is to facilitate and D up. Its why guys to start and win championships are guys like Blake, Fisher, Chalmers....
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Lol he called himself elite, but if Carlise can make jose and monta look decent on defense then maybe felton can lose like 20 pounds and be useful.
Yea, I don't expect him to be any worse. I mean, how can he be?

But more the fact that he said he "still" can play as an elite PG. He thinks he ever was one is pretty funny.
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I wonder if fans will be more willing to root for LeBron if he rejoins the Cavs than they were when he was with the Heat?

LeBron with a young cast of stars compared to the big three.
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I wonder if fans will be more willing to root for LeBron if he rejoins the Cavs than they were when he was with the Heat?

LeBron with a young cast of stars compared to the big three.
I'd be more inclined to cheer for the Cavs relative to the Heat because 99.9% of Heat fans are the absolute worst. The one's on this site I've met are good people, but the majority of Heat fans deserve nothing but the worst.
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I wonder if fans will be more willing to root for LeBron if he rejoins the Cavs than they were when he was with the Heat?

LeBron with a young cast of stars compared to the big three.
Probably. As long he goes to a fairly neutral team, he'll get much better reception. The Heat were polarizing because of the way he left, people that hate Wade (me), and the whole "South Beach" thing that goes with the Miami Sheep.

Of course, he could go to the Knicks, Clippers, or Lakers and come off pretty terribly.
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I dont care either way. Dont hate him, dont love him.
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To be fair, kidd would've had one if shaq and Duncan weren't unstoppable in their primes. And if we had someone better than Aaron Williams trying to stop them

But then again Kidd is a fart face because I'm bitter
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D-Unit why are you letting these guys take shots at you...you don't have to defend moves like paying Frye 8M or drafting Gordon just because you're a Magic fan. Why not say 'alright ******* let's see how it pans out?' rather than hyping up the team or defending the moves?
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Bosh would actually be perfect for Houston. Scary perfect to be honest.

Him playing stretch 4 while Dwight beats em up in the post/pick n roll would be so hard to stop.

Honestly if they land Bosh I'd see if I could trade Harden for a PG who could feed it to Dwight and Bosh.
what in the actual ****
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I didnt know the 76ers had Aaron Craft! Watching the summer league and he is in right now. Nerlens hasnt made a impact yet in the first.
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Deon Thompson in the D league!?

dear god..for Memphis yiiiipppeeeeeeeeeee
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KJ McDaniels will be a solid 2nd round pick.
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I didnt know the 76ers had Aaron Craft! Watching the summer league and he is in right now. Nerlens hasnt made a impact yet in the first.
He should have been the first overall pick.
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I can agree with that, he was Clemson's best player by FAR...probably since Booker T Washington.
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D-Unit why are you letting these guys take shots at you...you don't have to defend moves like paying Frye 8M or drafting Gordon just because you're a Magic fan. Why not say 'alright ******* let's see how it pans out?' rather than hyping up the team or defending the moves?
I honestly didn't like the Frye contract at all when I first heard it. But the more I find, the more at ease I've become. I've actually held back on posting a lot of other good reads on the topic. I know it seems like I'm just being a blind homer and that rubs people the wrong way, but I think the moves have made "enough" sense. Doesn't always have to make "perfect" sense.
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Aaron Craft legit just tried to alley opp to Nerlens from 3/4 the court length with like 3 seconds left on the clock....
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I would have thrown a ***** fit if he resigned for $8MM a year or $4MM for that matter
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Frye is a tall guy that can shoot, it is a unique thing to have. Too bad more and more bigs are learning to shoot so it isn't as unique as it once was.

If anything, the fact we are talking about him this much is amazing...he should be honored.
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Frye is a tall guy that can shoot, it is a unique thing to have. Too bad more and more bigs are learning to shoot so it isn't as unique as it once was.

If anything, the fact we are talking about him this much is amazing...he should be honored.
We're talking about him because it's such an absurdly bad contract. Bradley was an overpay by about $6 million (total), Frye was an overpay by $39 million. $7 million more than the contract they gave him. That's epicly bad. Like...you could offer Detroit the world for Josh Smith in exchange for Channing Frye, and Detroit should still turn it down.
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We're talking about him because it's such an absurdly bad contract. Bradley was an overpay by about $6 million (total), Frye was an overpay by $39 million. $7 million more than the contract they gave him. That's epicly bad. Like...you could offer Detroit the world for Josh Smith in exchange for Channing Frye, and Detroit should still turn it down.
I do not agree with this statement.
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I would have thrown a ***** fit if he resigned for $8MM a year or $4MM for that matter
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ho...his-evolution/

This was an interesting read. I'm hoping Frye will be able to help our young guards in a similar way.

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This isn’t just Seven Seconds or Less basketball. The Suns have also quickly become one of the best pick-and-roll acts in the game. Recent player-tracking data analytics suggest that the Dragic–Channing Frye pairing is the most efficient pick-and-roll tandem in the league. According to the data, the Suns are averaging a ridiculous 1.3 points per possession on the 392 Dragic-Frye pick-and-rolls this season.

People around the league have noticed:
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Follow Pacers head coach Frank Vogel called the Dragic/Frye pick and roll "maybe the hardest to cover in the game."

Dragic is quick to point out that the return of Frye — the team’s most vital spacing agent — has been central to Phoenix’s dramatic offensive improvements. “Last year he had some heart problems and couldn’t play with us, so when I played pick-and-roll I didn’t have that space guy,” he says. “This year, when we play pick-and-roll, Channing stretches the floor so I have room to operate; I can get inside the paint and make other plays for him and everybody else. He just gives us that spacing, and especially for me and Eric he makes things much easier because nobody can rotate from him.”

Nobody can rotate away from Frye; there are very few bigs in the league who can shoot from distance as well as he can.



Frye says the keys to their pick-and-roll success are quick recognition and smart decisions to create defensive stresses.

“Goran is an extremely prolific scorer and for me it’s about establishing that I’m going to set a good screen every single time and try to get my guy to get off Goran’s body,” Frye said. “If Goran’s guy goes under, it’s Goran’s job to be able to shoot that shot and my job to give him the space to shoot it in. If my guy stays on Goran, it’s my job to create space for myself to get an open shot. You know, I’ve got to assess this within milliseconds, but we’ve been good at it. Goran’s been aggressive and smart, while I’ve been pretty good at hitting the shots that I’ve been given and trying to make the right decisions.”

Frye takes more 3s than 2s, and his ability to drain those 3s is worth far more than just the handful of points that directly result from those baskets. It’s a constant threat that demands defensive attention and changes the defensive tactics in a way that opens up the interior for his attacking teammates. Frye’s proficient above-the-break shot is arguably the most important in the whole offense, and it obviously wasn’t there last year.

But this season, the Suns run a terrifying pick-and-pop that results in Frye threatening near the top of the arc and, as he says, puts the defense in a horrible predicament:

“If you have penetrators like Goran there’s no way the defense can stop the ball and get back to the shooter in time, especially with me because I’m almost 7 feet tall and have a pretty quick release,” Frye said. “It’s just a matter of who is doing what on the defense, and our offense making the decision from there.”

Frye has a gravitational pull that forces bigs away from the rim, creating attacking corridors for Dragic, who excels at “turning the corner,” attacking the basket, and making plays. In turn, Dragic’s attacking abilities create wide-open looks for Frye or other perimeter shooters. This symbiosis is the heart of the Suns’ offensive ecosystem, and it is by no means an accident.
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