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Old 07-18-2014, 07:29 PM    (permalink
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Getting nothing for Love is fine with them. Not a lot of teams have the cap space to sign him outright in 2015, anyway. They're not getting nothing for him. They can just as easily wait until February.

If Love wasn't being such a turd and pushing his way out, the T-Wolves could have been making a move to bring in another high level player. Kevin Love is a *****. **** that guy. Seriously.
Is that accurate?
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If Love hits FA in 2015 he is gone.
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Honestly, they would probably net a good sign and trade regardless. But if wiggins is on the table, you snap their hand off. Still a slam dunk for the Cavs IMO given their ability to win right now with Love, but the wolves are not doing better than Wiggins. Best win win scenario I can recall for a major trade, well, ever.
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Honestly, they would probably net a good sign and trade regardless. But if wiggins is on the table, you snap their hand off. Still a slam dunk for the Cavs IMO given their ability to win right now with Love, but the wolves are not doing better than Wiggins. Best win win scenario I can recall for a major trade, well, ever.
The thing with the Wolves is they should really be trying to make their team better and should be expecting to be a playoff team. Kevin Love is trying to force them to rebuild again because he's a piece of ****. They have a nice roster that could have taken a huge step with a couple free agents like Luol Deng, Darren Collison, Lance Stephenson, etc. They should be trading Pekovic and Rubio, not Love.

If I'm Minnesota, I'm making moves to get better and saying "**** you, you're staying" to Kevin Love.
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Dragic or Bledsoe > Wiggins
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Dragic or Bledsoe > Wiggins
As much as I like those 2. The answer is no. You can build a team around Wiggins.

Besides, Love would leave PHX if one of those 2 were not there. IT does nothing to keep him there. Love is a perfect fit if PHX has the Bledsoe/Dragic backcourt in place.
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You can build a team around Wiggins... in theory... if he reaches his full potential. Zero way you could do it now, or in the future if he doesn't greatly improve his offensive skillset. To say that you can build anything around Wiggins right now is grossly projecting something that could just as easily flop as flourish.
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Biggest problem with that logic is paying Wiggins 5-7m per year as opposed to giving Bledsoe 18 per year like he wants.
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Daily reminder that Embiid is the slam dunk number 1 pick if he didn't get hurt before the draft, not Wiggins.
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They're gonna rid themselves of a bunch of salary only to turn it around and give it to the worst shooting PG of the past two decades.
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Stress fracture in the foot is kind of a big deal so.....



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Biggest problem with that logic is paying Wiggins 5-7m per year as opposed to giving Bledsoe 18 per year like he wants.
no one is giving Bledsoe $18MM a year, it will be 12ish most likely
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You can build a team around Wiggins... in theory... if he reaches his full potential. Zero way you could do it now, or in the future if he doesn't greatly improve his offensive skillset. To say that you can build anything around Wiggins right now is grossly projecting something that could just as easily flop as flourish.
The potential of Wiggins is still more valuable than Dragic or Bledsoe. When you factor in Dragic being in the last year of his deal and Bledsoe wanting $18M like Metsox said... there's just no justification for saying that either of them are a better offer to Minnesota than Wiggins is in the chase for Love.

Even if Wiggins flops, nobody is going to criticize the Wolves for chasing the possibility that Wiggins COULD be a franchise player. ...and sure you could start it now. Maybe you mean "zero way you could do it now and expect to have a contender". I could agree there. But to say teams don't build teams around starting over with young talent is not reality.
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no one is giving Bledsoe $18MM a year, it will be 12ish most likely
He just turned down 12 per because he feels he's worth more. He doesn't have to sign an offer sheet he could simply ride out his qualifying offer and try to get paid next year.
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Bledsoe can't even make 18M, under any circumstance, stop making up big numbers lol
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no one is giving Bledsoe $18MM a year, it will be 12ish most likely
I say $14-16. He wants 5/$80. Metsox's numbers are off.
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I got what he was saying but only the Suns can give him that
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I got what he was saying but only the Suns can give him that
Oh I see. So really the Suns only need to match what others can give him. What's that amount to? If it's just couple of million more, what's the big deal?

Also, with the cap rising, these max contracts will look better in the future. So giving Bledsoe a long 5 year deal is probably advantagous to PHX. If he gets a short 2 year deal and asks for the max when the cap goes up to $80M then they'll be in a bigger pickle.

That's why the Hayward contract was better than Parsons. Haywards goes 4 years and Parsons goes 2. If Parsons tries to squeeze out more in his next deal that sucks for the Mavs.

...and of course I have to say it... this is why Frye's deal at 4 years is perfect logic. $8M a year is avg player salary. The fact that his deal is front loaded and gets smaller each year makes Hennigan even look that much more the genius.

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Bledsoe can't even make 18M, under any circumstance, stop making up big numbers lol
Oh c'mon, I'm at work and I can't give an exact dollar number but it would probably be a lot closer to 18 than to 12. You understood the point I was trying to make. Smh.
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I'm getting pretty tired about hearing about how much better these awful contracts are gonna look in two years. That seems to be the only crutch people are holding on to this offseason with the ******** contracts.
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I'm getting pretty tired about hearing about how much better these awful contracts are gonna look in two years. That seems to be the only crutch people are holding on to this offseason with the ******** contracts.
Then there are the Lakers fans who can't even come up with an argument. "Swaggy P won't be so bad for the next fou-" *weeps uncontrollably*
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There are laker fans who ive spoken to who is convinced swaggy p is good.
I'd have to question your continued willingness to speak with such people. (Lakers fans, not Swaggy P supporters)
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Swaggy p is the best sooooo
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