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Old 12-04-2007, 11:15 PM    (permalink
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IMO Safety is our division's weakest position. Also not a lot of good depth at the Gaurd position... on the other hand our strong points seem to be at WR, D-line, LB, and CB.

1st Team all NFC North
QB: Brett Favre
RB: Adrian Peterson
FB: Tony Richardson
WR: Donald Driver, Roy Williams
TE: Donald Lee
LT: Bryant McKennie
LG: Steve Hutchinson
C: Olin Kruetz
RG: Anthony Herrara
RT: Mark Tauscher

LDE: Aaron Kampman
DT: Pat Williams
DT: Tommie Harris
RDE: Cullen Jenkins
WOLB: Lance Briggs
MLB: EJ Henderson
SOLB: Ben Leber
CB: Charles Woodson
FS: Dwight Smith
SS: Darren Sharper
CB: Al Harris
K: Jason Hanson
P: Chris Kluwe
KR: Devin Hester


2nd Team All NFC North
QB: Jon Kitna
RB: Chester Taylor
FB:??? Jason McKie
WR: Greg Jennings, Bernard Berian
TE: Desmond Clark
LT: Chad Clifton
LG: Edwin Mulitalo
C: Matt Birk
RG: Roberto Garza
RT: John Tait

LDE: Adewale Ogunleye
DT: Shaun Rogers
DT: Kevin Williams
RDE: KGB
WOLB: Chad Greenway
MLB: Nick Barnett
SOLB: Hunter Hillenmeyer
CB: Charles Tillman
FS: Danieal Manning
SS: Atari Bigby
CB: Antione Winfield
K: Mason Crosby
P: Jon Ryan
KR: Tramon Williams
good list overall but no ernie sims? hes 5th in the league in tackles
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Adewale Ogunleye is having a much better season than Cullen Jenkins.
I was trying to stick to their actual position and I wasn't sure but I thought he played at LDE is that correct?

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Also, Barnett should be 1st team over Henderson.
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I think Barnett, Henderson, and Urlacher are all pretty debateable.
I agree with bf51 there all 3 of them are very debabteable and there numbers are very similar(as you will see below). All 3 deserving of All NFC North first team.

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E.J. Henderson- 95 Tackles 76 Solo 19 Ast | 13 Suffs(Tackle for loss) | 3.5 Sacks | 0 Int | 3 FF | PD 2

Nick Barnett- 96 Tackles 70 Solo 26 Ast| 3 Stuffs(Tackle for loss) | 1.5 Sacks | 2 Int | 0 FF | PD 4

Brian Urlacher- 96 Tackles 74 Solo 22 Ast | 3 Suffs(Tackle for loss) | 3 sacks | 2 Int | 0 FF | PD 7

But for me the difference in the TFL is what decided it. E.J. Henderson has been Stuffing the Opposing RB's all year long. And to be honest after re-examining the numbers i'm leaning towards Urlacher for All NFC North 2nd Team.

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And Hawk should be second over Greenway.
I personally don't agree, but this is debatable aswell.

Chad Greenway- 70 Tackles 53 Solo 17 AST | 2 Stuffs | 0 Sacks | 2 Ints | 1 FF | 1 Def TD | 3 PD

A.J. Hawk- 80 Tackles 59 Solo 21 Ast | 1 Stuff | 0 Sacks | 1 Int | 1 FF | 0 Def TD | 4 PD

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Definitely.

Also, Bigby? I'm not sold on that but I guess SS is weak in the NFC North.
Exactly, I wasn't sold either but the NFC North is just weak at that position.

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good list overall but no ernie sims? hes 5th in the league in tackles
There is a lot of Quality competition at LB in the NFC North especially at MLB, which if im not mistaken is where he has been playing lately.

Ernie Sims- 105 Tackles 77 Solo 28 Ast | 5 Stuffs | 1 Sack | 1 Int | 1 FF | 2 PD

He's definatly worth being mentioned. But like I said there is a lot of Competition at LB.

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Old 12-05-2007, 03:38 AM    (permalink
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E.J. Henderson- 95 Tackles 76 Solo 19 Ast | 13 Suffs(Tackle for loss) | 3.5 Sacks | 0 Int | 3 FF | PD 2

Nick Barnett- 96 Tackles 70 Solo 26 Ast| 3 Stuffs(Tackle for loss) | 1.5 Sacks | 2 Int | 0 FF | PD 4

Brian Urlacher- 96 Tackles 74 Solo 22 Ast | 3 Suffs(Tackle for loss) | 3 sacks | 2 Int | 0 FF | PD 7

But for me the difference in the TFL is what decided it. E.J. Henderson has been Stuffing the Opposing RB's all year long. And to be honest after re-examining the numbers i'm leaning towards Urlacher for All NFC North 2nd Team.
Stats don't really tell much about a MLBs play. Henderson is also playing behind two space-eating DTs which makes his job a lot easier.
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Stats don't really tell much about a MLBs play. Henderson is also playing behind two space-eating DTs which makes his job a lot easier.
Well if that's the basis for your argument then Urlacher wins hands down. Urlacher means more to our defense than either player does for theirs. Barnett is a good talent but he's not nearly as irreplaceable as Urlacher.
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Well if that's the basis for your argument then Urlacher wins hands down. Urlacher means more to our defense than either player does for theirs. Barnett is a good talent but he's not nearly as irreplaceable as Urlacher.
Sure, maybe Urlacher is irreplaceable but would Barnett do a better job in Chicago than Urlacher is doing now? How would Urlacher fair in Green Bay? Interesting questions, but I think based on the play this year, Barnett is the best MLB in the NFC North.
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When you're picking players for the year, you need to look at how they've played for this year, not how valuable they were in years past. The bottom line on a number of these defensive players is that the Packers are 10-2, with the defense being a good portion why. Vikes and Lions are both 6-6 and the Bears have a losing record. If you have players with similar stats having a similar year, break the tie by record.
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wow, Kevin and Pat Williams should be #1 and #2 DT's

Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers are strong, but not always consistent. The league's best run defense is consistent.
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Tommie Harris needs to be on the first team. It's amazing that he's still been able to produce and have an impact with his injuries and being on that makeshift line.
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wow, Kevin and Pat Williams should be #1 and #2 DT's

Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers are strong, but not always consistent. The league's best run defense is consistent.
How has Corey Williams not been consistant?
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Tommie Harris needs to be on the first team. It's amazing that he's still been able to produce and have an impact with his injuries and being on that makeshift line.
Thank you. Too many people are assuming that because many Bears are having dissapointing seasons that everyone is playing bad. Guys like Wale, Tommie, and others are still playing their asses off. In Tommie's case, being banged up all year long.
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How has Corey Williams not been consistant?
Well he has been invisible since Jolly got injured.
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Roberto Garza has no business on 2nd, or even 3rd team... he's been awful. There also could definitely be a better option at RT... but he plays LT anyway, and you said you wanted to keep them at their same positions.
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I will agree that Harris is amazing, and is right up there with the Williams Bros. But putting Williams or Rogers above any of those 3 is beyond me.
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Sorry, but Chad Greenway has not outplayed Ernie Sims this year. I'd also argue that Ernie Sims has outplayed Lance Briggs, but it's close so I don't care.
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crazy chris, thats a pretty damn good list buddy
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Sorry, but Chad Greenway has not outplayed Ernie Sims this year. I'd also argue that Ernie Sims has outplayed Lance Briggs, but it's close so I don't care.
Lance Briggs and Chad Greenway = OLB

Ernie Sims = MLB
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Paris Lenon is their MLB, Sims is their WLB. Also Greenway has not outplayed Hawk either. Only thing he has on Hawk is a gift pick 6 from Eli Manning.
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Can someone explain to me why Shaun Rodgers is still in consideration for these things. He hasn't been THAT dominant this year, and is forced out of so many plays because he's simply too exhausted to go on. With people with Pat, Kevin, and Corey Williams and Tommie Harris, I don't think that Shaun is even in the running anymore.
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Are you serious right now?
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i thought Ernie has been playing in the middle most of the season?
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I'm speechless, bf... just speechless. I expected to see only Vikings, Packers and Bears on that list.

I can't see any changes I'd make, either... well done.

(Note: Ernie Sims hasn't played a DOWN at MLB. WLB for the entire season. Props to GB12 for being the only non-Lions fan to mention that.)
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well, my apologies for being uninformed, i swear ive read somewhere that hes been playing there a lot this season....but ill be a man and admit that i was wrong....
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well, my apologies for being uninformed, i swear ive read somewhere that hes been playing there a lot this season....but ill be a man and admit that i was wrong....
Nah... it works. Was just surprised... I've never heard anything about Sims and playing MLB. I've watched every game (well, besides the Eagles games)... and I've never seen it.

Instead, we have Lenon... *sigh*... wishes he was a soccer player.
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The Bears have had a terrible season, but most of it was coaching and dumb mistakes, they were still IN EVERY game and swept the Packers.

Olin Kreutz - C
Adewale Ogunleye - DE
Tommie Harris - DT
Brian Urlacher - MLB
Lance Briggs - OLB
Devin Hester - KR
(all of those players are EASILY first team NFC North)

second team players include
Bernard Berrian - WR
Desmond Clark - TE
John Tait - OT
Charles Tillman - CB
Danieal Manning FS

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If the bears were healthy all season they would be playing GB next week for the NFC Championship. Nuff said.

Mike Brown - Dusty Dvoracek - Reuben Brown - Cedric Benson

And three pro bowlers - Brian Urlacher (back), Tommie Harris (leg) and Nathan Vasher (groin) were injured ALL SEASON long.
Nathan Vasher is definately all NFC North if he's healthy.
Tommie Harris is the best DT in the NFL at full strength.
Brian Urlacher is the best MLB in the NFL at full strength.

on another note, if he could stay healthy, Mike Brown is the best FS in the NFC North, by far.
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If the bears were healthy all season they would be playing GB next week for the NFC Championship. Nuff said.
Back up the homer train there amigo. As much as I would like to think that (and do believe we'll be back in the playoff hunt next year with the right moves), a lot of our close losses had to do with the fact that our team had a losing attitude this year than anything else. Every team deals with injuries, we may have had more than the competition this year, but that's no guarantee we'd be a contendor minus them.
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