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Old 11-06-2009, 10:57 PM    (permalink
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So much for the whole Antonio Bryant is better than Roddy White argument, huh?
It's sad that you still remember this and bring this up.

I'm not gonna argue this matter because I haven't watched a single Bucs game this year (and glad for it), but we ARE the only winless team in the league, our OC was fired before the season and our QB carousel has been a joke. Not to mention Bryant missed the whole preseason due to injury.

White wouldn't do jack given those circumstances either...
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It's sad that you still remember this and bring this up.

I'm not gonna argue this matter because I haven't watched a single Bucs game this year (and glad for it), but we ARE the only winless team in the league, our OC was fired before the season and our QB carousel has been a joke. Not to mention Bryant missed the whole preseason due to injury.

White wouldn't do jack given those circumstances either...
Like when he put up 80+ receptions, 6 TD, 1,200 plus yards in 2007 when the Falcons were 4-12, mass drama in the preseason, new coach, coach leaves midseason, and a QB carousel.

Hmm.
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Like when he put up 80+ receptions, 6 TD, 1,200 plus yards in 2007 when the Falcons were 4-12, mass drama in the preseason, new coach, coach leaves midseason, and a QB carousel.

Hmm.
That's a fair argument, but it still doesn't compare to the extreme that is Buccaneers football right now. Bryant was able to do similar things last year as the only viable target/weapon for us on offense. We have enough talent/weapons now to succeed, but we have no one to get them the ball. None of our quarterbacks can throw accurately and make sound decisions.

Honestly...there isn't a receiver in the league that could produce on our team right now.

I'm not saying you guys didn't win the previous debate, but it's more complicated than simple statistics.
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That's a fair argument, but it still doesn't compare to the extreme that is Buccaneers football right now. Bryant was able to do similar things last year as the only viable target/weapon for us on offense. We have enough talent/weapons now to succeed, but we have no one to get them the ball. None of our quarterbacks can throw accurately and make sound decisions.

Honestly...there isn't a receiver in the league that could produce on our team right now.

I'm not saying you guys didn't win the previous debate, but it's more complicated than simple statistics.
Of course, but the situation that Antonio Bryant is currently in is very similar to the situation that Roddy White was a part of in 2007. In fact, Leftwich was part of both the teams. The other QBs that season were Joey Harrington (colossal bust) and Chris Redman (was selling insurance before Petrino) when White put up 80 and 1200. If Bryant was on the same level as White, then he would still find a way to contribute. However, the OC leaving hurts Bryants situation a lot; at least Petrino was there until week 13 or whatever.
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Of course, but the situation that Antonio Bryant is currently in is very similar to the situation that Roddy White was a part of in 2007. In fact, Leftwich was part of both the teams. The other QBs that season were Joey Harrington (colossal bust) and Chris Redman (was selling insurance before Petrino) when White put up 80 and 1200. If Bryant was on the same level as White, then he would still find a way to contribute. However, the OC leaving hurts Bryants situation a lot; at least Petrino was there until week 13 or whatever.
And injuries. White is better than Bryant at this point, but current production is not why.
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HEAD COACH: Sean Payton

OFFENSE

QB: Drew Brees
RB: DeAngelo Willliams
FB: Ovie Mughelli
WR: Marques Colston
OL: John Stinchcomb
OL: Carl Nicks
OL: Ryan Kalil
OL: Jahri Evans
OL: Jeff Otah
TE: Tony Gonzalez
WR: Roddy White

RESERVES: Matt Ryan,Josh Freeman,Jonathan Stewart,Michael Turner,
Steve Smith,Antonio Bryant,Jeremy Shockey,Jeremy Trueblood,
Kendrick Vincent,Jeff Faine.

DEFENSE

DL: Julius Peppers
DL: Jonathan Babineaux
DL: Anthony Hargrove
DL: Will Smith
LB: Jon Beason
LB: Curtis Lofton
LB: Jonathan Vilma
DB: Aqib Talib
DB: Erik Coleman
DB: Darren Sharper
DB: Chris Gamble

RESERVES: Jon Abraham,Damione Lewis,Barrett Rudd,Mike Peterson,
Brent Grimes,Tanard Jackson

SPECIAL TEAMS

K: John Kasay
P: Dirk Johnson
LS: Jason Kyle
KR/PR: Clifton Smith
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HEAD COACH: Sean Payton

OFFENSE

QB: Drew Brees
RB: DeAngelo Willliams
FB: Ovie Mughelli
WR: Marques Colston
OL: John Stinchcomb
OL: Carl Nicks
OL: Ryan Kalil
OL: Jahri Evans
OL: Jeff Otah
TE: Tony Gonzalez
WR: Roddy White

RESERVES: Matt Ryan,Josh Freeman,Jonathan Stewart,Michael Turner,
Steve Smith,Antonio Bryant,Jeremy Shockey,Jeremy Trueblood,
Kendrick Vincent,Jeff Faine.

DEFENSE

DL: Julius Peppers
DL: Jonathan Babineaux
DL: Anthony Hargrove
DL: Will Smith
LB: Jon Beason
LB: Curtis Lofton
LB: Jonathan Vilma
DB: Aqib Talib
DB: Erik Coleman
DB: Darren Sharper
DB: Chris Gamble

RESERVES: Jon Abraham,Damione Lewis,Barrett Rudd,Mike Peterson,
Brent Grimes,Tanard Jackson

SPECIAL TEAMS

K: John Kasay
P: Dirk Johnson
LS: Jason Kyle
KR/PR: Clifton Smith
I'm a Bucs fan and you have Jeremy Trueblood listed as a reserve player which totally invalidates your entire list.

Tanard Jackson is the best safety in the dvision, including Sharper. Geno Hayes should be recognized as at least a reserve OLB. Davin Joseph is the best OG in the division. Kellen WInlow had a better year as the only reliable receiver ona bad team than Shockey. and BTW, it's Barrett RUUD! Terrible omissions! and one terrible inclusion.
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I'm a Bucs fan and you have Jeremy Trueblood listed as a reserve player which totally invalidates your entire list.

Davin Joseph is the best OG in the division.
You saying Davin Joseph is the best OG totally invalidates whatever you say after that.
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That's a pretty poor list to be honest with you.
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You saying Davin Joseph is the best OG totally invalidates whatever you say after that.
And I believe Trueblood might be the worst OT in the division... does that revalidate me?

Oh Jeez! You're from Richlands! I could say the same about you because of that! WOW, small world. :) My dad and his family are from Richlands as well as a good friend of mine's dad.... I could shoot back about the Davin Joseph comment but I don't want to fire back at somebody that has about a 50/50 shot of being related to me (oops, I mean "kin"-to be pronounced "keeen").

Anyways, Joseph was a pro bowler last season when the team was decent and had a far better season this year (despite playing for a terrible team).

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I'm jealous of Roddy! You guys should trade him to us. Him and Mike Williams would be AMAZING.

Also we should try and do a revised All NFC South team.
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I'm jealous of Roddy! You guys should trade him to us. Him and Mike Williams would be AMAZING.

Also we should try and do a revised All NFC South team.


If you guys still had Antonio Bryant, I'd gladly do that deal.
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If you guys still had Antonio Bryant, I'd gladly do that deal.
I hear he is a free agent these days. How about we sign and trade him! Deal.
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I hear he is a free agent these days. How about we sign and trade him! Deal.
Definitely. I mean, Antonio Bryant was seeing 8 men covering him with absolutely no help, and he was a dominant player with the greatest potential any WR has ever had. Can't pass that up.
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I know Caddy is doing his NFC South list, but I'm bored and feel like making one. Last time I did this I did fairly descriptive explanations, I'll just put some brief words this time.

QB: Drew Brees
ALT: Matt Ryan

Right now Brees is the best, although he has struggled a little this season. Matt Ryan has been pretty damn good this season, but Josh Freeman is not far behind.


RB: DeAngelo Williams
ALT: Michael Turner

Position looks a lot weaker than it did several years ago. Williams is my #1 although he is not having his best season. Turner isn't what he was two seasons ago but is still a very productive back. Jon Stewart has struggled this year after really impressing me last season. LaGarrette Blount is a talented young back to keep an eye on.

FB: Ovie Mughelli

May be the best blocking back in the NFL. He may be **** but damn it he is a beast.

WR: Roddy White
WR: Marques Colston
ALT: Mike Williams

Another position that doesn't look as strong, at least depth wise, as it did two seasons ago. White has proven he is the clear cut #1 (take that Antonio Bryant), and Colston remains at #2. Mike Williams is an extremely talented up and comer who should continue to do big things with Josh Freeman.

TE: Tony Gonzalez
ALT: Kellen Winslow Jr.

Almost didn't put Gonzalez in the top spot, seeing as he has lost a step and a half. He is still a fairly effective blocker and a nice target in the redzone and on third down. Winslow snuck in right in front of Jeremy Shockey.

LT: Don't Know
LG: Carl Nicks
C: Ryan Kalil
RG: Jahri Evans
RT: Tyson Clabo

Honestly, not really sure with O-Line. Tough to keep up with the hoggies. Some of this is based off of name recognition.

LE: Will Smith
DT: Sedrick Ellis
DT: Jon Babineaux
RE: John Abraham

Again, I'm not great with linemen. I know Will Smith was beasting last year, especially against Atlanta. Sed Ellis has really picked it up and has been a force inside. Babineaux is great at getting penetration in the backfield and making tackles for loss. Abraham is doing well again after having an off season last year.

WLB: Jon Beason
MLB: Curtis Lofton
SLB: Jon Vilma

I'm playing players out of position here, just wanted to get the players I felt were the three best linebackers in the division. Beason is one of the better linebackers in the NFL, Lofton is a tackling machine, and Vilma seems to make big plays at the right time for the Saints.

CB: Jabari Greer
CB: Aqib Talib
ALT: Dunta Robinson
FS: Charles Godfrey
SS: William Moore

Jabari Greer is quietly one of the better corners in the NFL. Aqib Talib gets beat his fair share of times, but straight up is great at making big plays and turning the ball over. Dunta is probably the best tackling corner in the division, and is not too shabby in coverage. Godfrey has been one of the lone bright spots on the Panthers D, and William Moore has proven he is not a bust by killing it this season.

K: John Kasay
P: Jason Baker
KR: Mike Goodson
PR: Reggie Bush

The NFC South has some pretty garbage returners, Bush made the list pretty much of his past big plays and because everybody else has been mediocre, same with Goodson. Kasay is 9/10 this season and Baker has the best net avg.
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Linebackers should be

Quincy Black-Jon Beason- Thomas Davis

and Tanard Jackson should be at FS and LT should be Jordan Gross and RT should be Otah and I would probably take J-Stew over Turner at this point
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and Tanard Jackson should be at FS and LT should be Jordan Gross and RT should be Otah and I would probably take J-Stew over Turner at this point
The way he did the linebackers is fine. Bucs fans again overrating Tanard Jackson. He's good, but not good enough where you can automatically put him on the list especially with what his season has looked like this far. And taking Stew with his horrendous year over Turner is laughable.
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The way he did the linebackers is fine. Bucs fans again overrating Tanard Jackson. He's good, but not good enough where you can automatically put him on the list especially with what his season has looked like this far. And taking Stew with his horrendous year over Turner is laughable.
What do you mean by this. Are you implying that he has been playing poorly this season? The reason he doesn't deserve to be on the list has nothing to do with his play. It's because he has been suspended for a season! If he was playing he'd easily make the list as the free safety.
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The way he did the linebackers is fine. Bucs fans again overrating Tanard Jackson. He's good, but not good enough where you can automatically put him on the list especially with what his season has looked like this far. And taking Stew with his horrendous year over Turner is laughable.
He is playing linebackers out of position( or at least Vilma, I forgot Beason switched outside this year,although Beason should definately be at MLB). Tanard is definately the best Free Safety in the division. It really isn't close. The only reason not to put him there is his suspension, but I don't think that kind of thing would be taken into account. I am a huge J-Stew fan and while he may be having a down year no one in Carolina is doing anything good this year
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What do you mean by this. Are you implying that he has been playing poorly this season? The reason he doesn't deserve to be on the list has nothing to do with his play. It's because he has been suspended for a season! If he was playing he'd easily make the list as the free safety.

I'm implying that it's tough to put a guy who is a cheater and has barely played/will barely play on a list of the ALL NFC South team.
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I'm implying that it's tough to put a guy who is a cheater and has barely played/will barely play on a list of the ALL NFC South team.
I agree. (I thought you were implying he was playing poorly!) If you get suspended you have no right to be included on a list like this.
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I'm going to beat Yasinkas to it and do my All-NFCS team. I'll give explanation where I think it needs any. Based principally on this year, so long-term injured like T.Davis and Otah miss out.

QB: Brees
RB: Turner (Williams has been a non-factor this year, Stewart has blown his chance to be the main guy)
FB: Mughelli

WR: White
WR: Colston (production has been so-so for a while, but would still take him over anyone else. Smith has done nothing this year, and M.Williams needs more time)
WR: Moore (specifically in the slot)
TE: Gonzalez (no longer the amazing athlete that Winslow is, but his blocking, experience, and leadership carry the day)

LT: Gross (I don't think anyone's done a great job this year, so I'm going to give it to Gross based on career consistency)
LG: Joseph
C: Kalil (although McClure deserves a shout, still underrated)
RG: Evans
RT: Clabo (his best year by far, there's been no pressure on Ryan from the right side, he's been clearing good holes for Turner, and leads the whole line in attitude with Dahl)

RE: Abraham
DT: Babineaux
DT: Ellis
LE: Smith (yes, I know wrong side... but he's clearly better than the others, and could easily play strongside)

ROLB: Beason
MLB: Lofton
SOLB: Vilma (you get your best players on the field, and these three are clearly ahead of any other LB in the division, and Beason/Vilma could easily play on the outside - best MLB though is Beason)

CB: Greer
CB: Talib
SS: Harper (not many contenders, Moore's started well but a few mistakes)
FS: Sharper (still just got a knack for finding the football - Godfray, Jenkins, and DeCoud are all good, young talents though)

K: Bryant
P: Morstead
KR: Spurlock
PR: Bush (not much competition, so keeps the job despite injury)

Coach: Payton (as much as I love Smitty for his leadership ability, I have to admit that Payton is special as an offensive mind)
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Pretty solid All division team, can't find much fault with it based on mainly this season.
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