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I think we have what it takes to beat the Packers. Jennings, Trufant, Grant, and Babs are gonna be an important part of this game since they have to deal with such a good receiving core.

Peterson should eliminate Donald Lee as a threat and Grant wont get **** running. It is really up to how Hasselback plays. He hasnt fared well against his own team. I would really like him to stop taking so much shots downfield but rather just throw to the checkdown reciever.

Hopefully we use Weaver a little more this game and Mo is gets better with each carry (dont get me started on sean).

If you look at our teams we are basically the same. Defenses are used to going against these offenses in practice so I dont expect a crazy high scoring game. It should come down to big plays on defense, special teams play, and coaching.

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I think we have what it takes to beat the Packers. Jennings, Trufant, Grant, and Babs are gonna be an important part of this game since they have to deal with such a good receiving core.

Peterson should eliminate Donald Lee as a threat and Grant wont get **** running. It is really up to how Hasselback plays. He hasnt fared well against his own team. I would really like him to stop taking so much shots downfield but rather just throw to the checkdown reciever.

Hopefully we use Weaver a little more this game and Mo is gets better with each carry (dont get me started on sean).

If you look at our teams we are basically the same. Defenses are used to going against these offenses in practice so I dont expect a crazy high scoring game. It should come down to big plays on defense, special teams play, and coaching.

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I agree that it is really going to be up to how hasslebeck plays. I was confused during the game why they didn't go to morris and weaver more. I mean Alexander was clearly not running effectively and it would have made sense to use those guys since they run so differently.

One key reason why I believe that we win this game is experience. Yes, they have Bret Farve, but after him there is next to no playoff experience on the offense and very little on the defense. Although you never know what can happen when Farve has the ball in his hands.
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Plus, you know Coach Holmgren is going to be fired up since last time we went to Lambeau in the play-offs ended like this:
Matt: We'll take the ball, and we're gonna score.
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but i think favre is gonna be deadly like always in the play-offs and this game will not be a blow-out either way unless Matt screws up badly.
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I agree that it is really going to be up to how hasslebeck plays. I was confused during the game why they didn't go to morris and weaver more. I mean Alexander was clearly not running effectively and it would have made sense to use those guys since they run so differently.

One key reason why I believe that we win this game is experience. Yes, they have Bret Farve, but after him there is next to no playoff experience on the offense and very little on the defense. Although you never know what can happen when Farve has the ball in his hands.
Good thing Holmgren knows Favre better then he knows himself.

What matchups are you guys worried about? I am mostly worried about Kelly Jennings on Ruvell Martin (6'5) and Donald Driver. I think he can handle speedsters like Greg Jennings. But Drivers routes will trouble him and Martins height.
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Good thing Holmgren knows Favre better then he knows himself.

What matchups are you guys worried about? I am mostly worried about Kelly Jennings on Ruvell Martin (6'5) and Donald Driver. I think he can handle speedsters like Greg Jennings. But Drivers routes will trouble him and Martins height.
yeah plus a play is never dead with favre, so Jennings needs to cover the entire play or else favre could do something crazy. We need to pressure more than anything.
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Good thing Holmgren knows Favre better then he knows himself.

What matchups are you guys worried about? I am mostly worried about Kelly Jennings on Ruvell Martin (6'5) and Donald Driver. I think he can handle speedsters like Greg Jennings. But Drivers routes will trouble him and Martins height.
Definetly the height differential between our corners and come of their receivers, especially in the red zone and on 3rd down. Ultimately it's going the pass rush is going to have to get to favre early and often in order to give the corners a shot.
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Peterson should eliminate Donald Lee as a threat
If you want to keep Peterson in coverage go right ahead. That'd be a big help to us. Plus Bubba's back now, and while he's not as good as he once was, he's still a decent option and a good redzone threat.

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Based on what? Grant was the second leading rusher behind only LT in the second half of the season. The Seahawks run defense isn't amazing or anything. He also rushed for 120 yards against the #1 ranked Minnesota run defense, the only player to go over 100 on them.

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Good thing Holmgren knows Favre better then he knows himself.
Hasn't been that big of a help in past meetings. Sure it's more than most coaches have, but it's not really much of an advantage. What's he going to say to the defense? That Favre's inpredictable and will give you a couple chances for INTs each game. Nothing new there.

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What matchups are you guys worried about? I am mostly worried about Kelly Jennings on Ruvell Martin (6'5) and Donald Driver. I think he can handle speedsters like Greg Jennings. But Drivers routes will trouble him and Martins height.
Why would you put your #2 corner on our 4th WR? Maybe in the redzone, but then you let Greg Jennings on a backup.

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Definetly the height differential between our corners and come of their receivers, especially in the red zone and on 3rd down. Ultimately it's going the pass rush is going to have to get to favre early and often in order to give the corners a shot.
Our WRs aren't really that tall with the exception of Martin. The average when you take him out is like 6'. We can put some serious height in on double tight formations with Franks(6'6") Lee(6'4") Martin (6'4") and Driver(6'0"). I'd like to see that more in the playoffs. It's something we haven't been able to do since Franks was injured most of the season, but that can be deadly in the redzone.


Anyway, always nice to be able to talk with the oppossing side a bit. I wasn't expecting there to be any Seahawks fans around.
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. I think he can handle speedsters like Greg Jennings. But Drivers routes will trouble him and Martins height.
Greg's speed? The lack of speed was his knock coming out of college. The guy is fast, but not overwhelming. I don't know if he can be described as a "speedster". He is a good WR because of his route running.

Anyways, this should be a close game, I look for it to come down to one possession.

GB should win this game in overtime, thanks to Matt.
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Greg's speed? The lack of speed was his knock coming out of college. The guy is fast, but not overwhelming. I don't know if he can be described as a "speedster". He is a good WR because of his route running.

Anyways, this should be a close game, I look for it to come down to one possession.

GB should win this game in overtime, thanks to Matt.
What are you taling about? Greg Jennings' speed was never questioned. He's not the fastest guy in the league, but he's still pretty damn fast.
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^ When I brought up the Martin vs Jennings it was mostly Redzone. I have seen the Packers come out with two wide outs, him being one, inside the 5 yard line and just running fades. When the Hawks run zone Martin can be in Jennings zone. #1 corners dont always cover #1 WR.

I think the Seahawks can handle Grant. Look at Portis yesterday. He was the hottest runningback in the NFL and we stopped him. You guys run a ZBS if I am not mistaken and against our fast defense it doesnt work well.

I agree with you on the Peterson on Lee thing just if Leroy Hill cant handle him.(He did pretty good on Cooley, so I think he can handle Lee)

I am interested what you think the final score will be?
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Greg's speed? The lack of speed was his knock coming out of college. The guy is fast, but not overwhelming. I don't know if he can be described as a "speedster". He is a good WR because of his route running.

Anyways, this should be a close game, I look for it to come down to one possession.

GB should win this game in overtime, thanks to Matt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUysttnNcj4

Heres Mel Kipers take on Jennings says he can stretch the field and has great deep speed.
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What are you taling about? Greg Jennings' speed was never questioned. He's not the fastest guy in the league, but he's still pretty damn fast.
Ahh yes it sure was. It wasn't implied that he was slow or anything, but it wasn't his largest attribute either. Which is why i choose to mention it when his speed was claimed to be what helps him and Driver was the route runner . Want some video evidence, go watch the Rams games last year where they talk about it for a good portion of the game. I remember when we drafted him to that his knock was running " only" a 4.5. You're right he is pretty damn fast, but not a " speedster". His routes are what make him, Robinson even compared his routes to Harrison, who he coached earlier in his career.
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Heres Mel Kipers take on Jennings says he can stretch the field and has great deep speed.
Are you deaf? He says " he has deep speed" not" he has GREAT speed"
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Are you deaf? He says " he has deep speed" not" he has GREAT speed"
Okay I misunderstood what he said, still deep speed is pretty damn fast.
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^ When I brought up the Martin vs Jennings it was mostly Redzone. I have seen the Packers come out with two wide outs, him being one, inside the 5 yard line and just running fades. When the Hawks run zone Martin can be in Jennings zone. #1 corners dont always cover #1 WR.
Ok, that makes sense. I know it's not always #1 vs #1, but if you let Driver or Jennings run on a nickelback you're going to be sorry.

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Week 13 - 50 yards
Week 14 - 36 yards
Week 15 - 126 yards
Week 16 - 76 yards
Week 17 - 104 yards
Average - 70 yards per game, 3.4 yards per carry

Not too impressive.

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Week 11 - 88
12 - 101
13 - 94
14 - 156
15 - 55
16 - 100
17 - 57 (on 6 carries)
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Ahh yes it sure was. It wasn't implied that he was slow or anything, but it wasn't his largest attribute either. Which is why i choose to mention it when his speed was claimed to be what helps him and Driver was the route runner . Want some video evidence, go watch the Rams games last year where they talk about it for a good portion of the game. I remember when we drafted him to that his knock was running " only" a 4.5. You're right he is pretty damn fast, but not a " speedster". His routes are what make him, Robinson even compared his routes to Harrison, who he coached earlier in his career.
He ran a 4.42 not 4.5. There were never questions about his speed. It kind of sounds like you're thinking of James Jones.
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He ran a 4.42 not 4.5. There were never questions about his speed. It kind of sounds like you're thinking of James Jones.
Depends on where you get the information, like always..

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/18332.html
Also see where it says he's not a true deep threat?


Something I found interesting was that it says he could be a solid number 3, ha.
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Depends on where you get the information, like always..

4.48
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/18332.html
Also see where it says he's not a true deep threat?


Something I found interesting was that it says he could be a solid number 3, ha.
His time an the combine was 4.42, I'll go with that over anything else. And he's not a true deep threat. He's actually better at taking a short route and making it into a big gain. That doesn't mean he doesn't have speed or that he can't go deep though.
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4.48
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/18332.html
Also see where it says he's not a true deep threat?


Something I found interesting was that it says he could be a solid number 3, ha.
Yea looks like there were a lot opinions on him but back on subject.

Do the Packers have any key injuries? The Seahawks really only have Deion who should play next week. Then theres Sean who is always hurt.
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Yea looks like there were a lot opinions on him but back on subject.

Do the Packers have any key injuries? The Seahawks really only have Deion who should play next week. Then theres Sean who is always hurt.
Johnny Jolly, but he's been out for weeks now. Junius Coston would have started at LG, but he's been placed on IR during the week. Korey Hall will return and will start for the first time since week 15. Jarrett Bush will be back, but he's dropped down the depth chart anyway. Then we have some that are banged up, but with the bye week will be fine.
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And he's not a true deep threat. He's actually better at taking a short route and making it into a big gain. That doesn't mean he doesn't have speed or that he can't go deep though.
Well of course he is better at short routes, as with all of Green bay's receivers.


But come on not a true deep threat? Remember him agianst Denver, Oakland, Kansas city, bears, or the Rams? All deep balls. He's part of the reason GB leads in catches of over 40 yards... Kinda hard to do that without you're number two being a deep threat. That's just more analysis of Greg I don't agree with, just like his speed.


As for the 40 time, a mid 4.4 time is not too exceptional for a NFL receiver, good but not uncommon. Which is why he isn't a "speedster".
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Well of course he is better at short routes, as with all of Green bay's receivers.


But come on not a true deep threat? Remember him agianst Denver, Oakland, Kansas city, bears, or the Rams? All deep balls. He's part of the reason GB leads in catches of over 40 yards... Kinda hard to do that without you're number two being a deep threat. That's just more analysis of Greg I don't agree with, just like his speed.


As for the 40 time, a mid 4.4 time is not too exceptional for a NFL receiver, good but not uncommon. Which is why he isn't a "speedster".
You're arguing against yourself here.

Anyway, I consider someone a true deep threat if that's all they can do (Tedd Ginn) or at least what they're best at (Randy Moss). Greg Jennings is best at short routes therefore not a "true" deep threat. He can go deep and do it well, but it's not his main attribute.

Exactly, 4.4 is good for a WR not great. That's what I've been saying. He isn't a speedster, I never said he was. His speed is fine and there wasn't ever a question of whether he was fast enough for the NFL. If he was just a speedster or deep threat than it might be, but he's more than that.
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It was very warm today, 50 by me, but it's supposed to go back down a bit. Right now they're saying mid 20s for Saturday afternoon. It doesn't look like there will be any snow between now and then either.
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