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Old 02-01-2008, 04:48 PM    (permalink
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how about the packers drafting Ahmad Carroll in 2004
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find me a team that has the best. 1st round picks are so hit or miss
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The funny thing is that look at the improvement in recent years. I just think scouting departments have picked up their game recently with the increasing amount of technology around them. Better technology leads to better communication and thus better evaluation of prospects.
That and i whole-heartedly beleive that early on talent scouts were just the low man on the totem pole who were waiting for a promotion, granted there were always some that loved their job and were good at it, but it seems that up until recently being head of talent scouting or whatever wasn't a glorious position.

Jaws always says it best whenever he's asked how people can be so far off when picking top QBs and if it is just a crapshoot; he said (roughyl) "No, it's not that difficult, but the people they have scouting these players are absolutely terrible and have no business scouting QBs. These people have never played quarterback and have no idea what to look for and they end up falling into the trap of looking at all the wrong things." I agree with Jaws almost unequivocally and i feel that sometimes a player could have all the tools in the world but just something mentally or emotioanlly goes wrong and it's ruined, but for the large part I do feel that some of these scouts look for the wrong things, because they don't have the feel for scouting. It seems as though some people just have an eye for talent and others don't.
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For a while this was an easy answer, Cleveland. But Phil Savage came along and everything is all good.

1999-Tim Couch :(
2000-Courtney Brown :(
2001-Gerard Warren :( Yeah, let's pass on Seymour and LT
2002-William Green :(
2003-Jeff Faine :(
why do our drafts suck so bad all the time? This wasn't just he first round, but all the other rounds too.

...Then....hope
2004-Kellen Winslow :)
2005-Braylon Edwards :)
2006-Kamerion Wimbley :)
2007-Joe Thomas :)
2007-Brady Quinn......jury still out, but we're probably gonna trade him for a 1st rounder at least in the future, so it's an automatic success either way for us. :)

All is well.


...But historically the Jets are the kings of sucky first round picks. Kyle Brady or that fullback are the poster boys for this. Even when they draft an awesome player (Jonathan Vilma), they screw him up and find out a way to make him suck.
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find me a team that has the best. 1st round picks are so hit or miss
From memory, Indianpolis has been pretty good. Peyton Manning, Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Joseph Addai, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Marlin Jackson, Marshall Faulk, Tarik Glenn, Corny Bennett.....and while they didn't keep him, the Colts did draft John Elway in the first round, remember?
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Detroit and the Jets have had some pretty bad drafts.
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Bills have had a couple bad 1st round picks.

2007 - Marshawn Lynch - RB
2006 - Donte Whitner - S
2006 - John McCargo - DT
2005 - Traded for JP Losman...
2004 - Lee Evans - WR
2004 - JP Losman - QB
2003 - Willis McGahee - RB
2002 - Mike Williams - OT
2001 - Nate Clements - CB
2000 - Erik Flowers - DE --Our 2000 draft has to be one of the worst in NFL History
1999 - Antoine Winfield - CB
1998 - N/A
1997 - Antwoin Smith - RB
1996 - Eric Moulds - WR
1995 - Ruben Brown - OG
1994 - Jeff Burris - DB
1993 - Thomas Smith - CB
1992 - John Fina
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Ravens don't have very many 1st Round busts...but Travis Taylor & Kyle Boller are no doubt the worst first round picks ever, with Taylor being first and Boller coming in at second.
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Bills have had a couple bad 1st round picks.

2007 - Marshawn Lynch - RB
2006 - Donte Whitner - S
2006 - John McCargo - DT
2005 - Traded for JP Losman...
2004 - Lee Evans - WR
2004 - JP Losman - QB
2003 - Willis McGahee - RB
2002 - Mike Williams - OT
2001 - Nate Clements - CB
2000 - Erik Flowers - DE --Our 2000 draft has to be one of the worst in NFL History
1999 - Antoine Winfield - CB
1998 - N/A
1997 - Antwoin Smith - RB
1996 - Eric Moulds - WR
1995 - Ruben Brown - OG
1994 - Jeff Burris - DB
1993 - Thomas Smith - CB
1992 - John Fina
not trying to rub it in but remember the bills traded their 1998 draft pick for Rob Johnson, ultimately giving the Jaguars Fred Taylor...greatest trade in the history of the draft!
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Ravens don't have very many 1st Round busts...but Travis Taylor & Kyle Boller are no doubt the worst first round picks ever, with Taylor being first and Boller coming in at second.
true that ravens have had good 1st round success.
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not trying to rub it in but remember the bills traded their 1998 draft pick for Rob Johnson, ultimately giving the Jaguars Fred Taylor...greatest trade in the history of the draft!
urrgh. we traded for him based on one game! ONE GAME!!!!!!!
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Will all due respect gentleman, disregarding recent success at the top of the draft,The jets are and shall forever be the kings of ineptitude when it comes to the old first round picks...just look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

Chris Berman's quote is priceless; "as a jets season ticket holder, I'm gonna Boo." Sorry jets fans, this is really hard to watch.
things have looked better as of lately, lets just forget about those bad days and hope that the current trend continues. The new management appears to have a clue, something that can't be said about back then
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Dallas 1st history is not bad when they actually have a 1st rounder.

Emmitt Smith
Russell Maryland
Alvin Harper
Greg Ellis
Ebenezer Ekuban
Roy Williams
Terrence Newman
DeMarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Bobby Carpenter
Anthony Spencer.

The ones I was unsure of are David LaFluer, Shante Carver, Kevin Smith, and Robert Jones.

I have to admit Dallas has done a great job when they have had a 1st Rounder.
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pats was pretty mixed pre-belichick
1999 - damien woody (had some great seasons, but also struggles with injuries)
1999 - andy katzenmoyer (never showed much and had career ending injury)
1998 - robert edwards (very promising, then career ending injury)
1998 - tebucky jones (played on some super bowl teams, highly inconsistent)
1997 - chris canty (was never really anything special)
1996 - terry glenn (amazing rookie season, started flaking out, has had solid career since leaving NE)
1995 - ty law (still one of my all time fav pats, wish he could have played whole career here)
1994 - willie mcginest (see ty law description)
1993 - drew bledsoe (mixed bag, had success, then didn't, maybe would have been great if he could just get rid of the ball)
1992 - eugene chung (fairly sure he was a bust)

under parcells, we drafted 2 great players, and 2 very solid players that really never justified their picks. after parcells left, drafting wasn't very good. i'm not saying the pats have drafted the worst by any means, but you can see after all those busts how belichick wound up getting hired.
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yea, that's whats great about it...!
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Dallas 1st history is not bad when they actually have a 1st rounder.

Emmitt Smith
Russell Maryland
Alvin Harper
Greg Ellis
Ebenezer Ekuban
Roy Williams
Terrence Newman
DeMarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Bobby Carpenter
Anthony Spencer.

The ones I was unsure of are David LaFluer, Shante Carver, Kevin Smith, and Robert Jones.

I have to admit Dallas has done a great job when they have had a 1st Rounder.
Kevin Smith was actually a very good CB for us during the early 90's. Starting during that 92-93 SB run. So I would say he was on the plus side when it came to first rounders. Robert Jones was also a a nice player from what I remember. Really fit that small but athletic LB that JJ liked. Started at MLB when Ken Norton left I believe, it was either him or Dixon Edwards.
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Dallas is just as bad as most of these other teams:

1994 Shante Carver DE Best season was 6 sacks in 97.
1995 NO PICK
1996 NO PICK
1997 Dave LaFleur TE Best year was 1999 with over 300 receiving and 7 TDs. Out of the league 2 seasons later.
1998 Greg Ellis DE Isn't Randy Moss.
1999 Ebenezer Ekuban DE Worthless.
2000 NO PICK
2001 NO PICK
2002 Roy Williams S Instant impact but career has definitely trailed off. For his draft position, bust label may be appropriate.
2003 Terence Newman CB First good 1st rounder for Dallas in OVER A DECADE.
2004 NO PICK (Are you sensing a trend?)
2005 Demarcus Ware OLB / Marcus Spears DE I'd say 50/50 is still pretty good for a first round.
2006 Bobby Carpenter OLB It's early, but not looking good for Carp.
2007 Anthony Spencer OLB Early, but has shown flashes.

It's a wonder we're competitive at all really.
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Oaklands drafts havent been anything special but they arent the worst.

07 JaMarcus Russell to early to tell.

06 Micheal Huff has done an excellent job covering great TEs.

05 Fabian Washington hasnt been great.Had a good year in 06 but bad year in 07.

04 Robert Gallery coaching has really hurt him.but he never was the LT we hoped for him to be.makes a good G though.

03 Nnamdi Asomugha great pick.easily one of the top 3 corners in the league.
Tyler Brayton.Never did anything except knee Jeremy Stevens in the groin.which unsuprisingly didnt hurt Stevens at all.

02 Phillip Buchannon didnt do much and was traded.
Napoleon Harris was solid but nothing special.traded.

01 Derrick Gibson absolutely abismal pick.watching him was very,very painful.

00 Seabass we really didnt need to use a 1st rounder on this guy.Hes terribly inconsistent.but hes still on the team oddly enough.
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2006-Reggie Bush (Can you say BUST?)
Why is he a bust? I'm a fan of giving players three seasons before we write them off. Not everyone comes in and is Adrian Peterson, especially when their coach thinks he's playing Madden and every trick play works.

2007: None
2006: Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State (After essentially a redshirt his rookie year, showed some glimpses of talent and saw a decent amount of double teams this year. 31 tackles, 3 sacks,
2005: Mike Patterson, DT, USC (Decent rookie season that was highlighted by a 98 yard fumble return for a TD. Led all NFL DTs this year with 67 tackles and added 4 sacks)
2004: Shawn Andrews, OL, Arkansas (He will eat you. Best RG in the game and top 3 OG)
2003: Jerome McDougle, DE, Miami (Yeeeeeeeeeeeeesh. Likely to be cut this year, might get a stay of execution if Howard and Kearse are cut, but he's a major bust.
2002: Lito Sheppard, CB, Florida (Top-notch corner, absolutely KILLS the Cowboys)
2001: Fredex Freddie Mitchell, WR, UCLA (He is the reason why Eagles don't draft first round wideouts)
2000: Corey Simon, DT, Florida State (Was pretty good for a while including an '03 Pro Bowl, now retired)
1999: Donovan McNabb, QB, Syracuse (Owns a crapload of Eagles records, statistically the best Eagles QB ever. Still searching for that elusive ring)
1998: William Thomas, OT, Florida State (BEAST Left Tackle)
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Dallas 1st history is not bad when they actually have a 1st rounder.

Emmitt Smith
Russell Maryland
Alvin Harper
Greg Ellis
Ebenezer Ekuban
Roy Williams
Terrence Newman
DeMarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Bobby Carpenter
Anthony Spencer.

The ones I was unsure of are David LaFluer, Shante Carver, Kevin Smith, and Robert Jones.

I have to admit Dallas has done a great job when they have had a 1st Rounder.
Kevin Smith was solid
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One year is too little time to give a grade on Olsen.
True, but I'm impressed with what I've seen so far.
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find me a team that has the best. 1st round picks are so hit or miss
like i said earlier... Colts and Patriots have been great.

Colts:
94: Marshal Faulk RB SDSU
95: Ellis Johnson DE Florida
96: Marvin Harrison WR Syracuse
97: Tarik Glenn G Cal
98: Peyton Manning QB Tennessee
99: Edgerrin James RB Miami
00: Rob Morris LB BYU
01: Reggie Wayne WR Miami
02: Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse
03: Dallas Clark TE Iowa
04: (2nd round) Bob Sanders S Iowa
05: Marlin Jackson DB Michigan
06: Joseph Addai RB LSU
07: Anthony Gonzalez WR OSU

really can't be better than that.

Patriots:
94: Willie McGinest OLB USC
95: Ty Law CB Michigan
96: Terry Glenn WR OSU
97: Chris Canty DB Kansas State
98: Robert Edwards RB Georgia
98: Tebucky Jones DB Syracuse
99: Damien Woody C Boston College
00: (2nd round) Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
01: Richard Seymour DT Georgia
02: Daniel Graham TE Colorado
03: Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
04: Vince Wilfork NT Miami
05: Logan Mankins G Fresno State
06: Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
07: Brandon Meriweather DB Miami

Better than most, a lot of very productive guys on this list.
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