Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 632

J-Mike88 · 11-15-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsfan486

His contract details are not public knowledge. No one outside the organization knows. Sorry.

Right, and coaches payrolls are pretty insignificant right? I mean there's no salary cap for them or anything.

But we did know that Jason Garrett was getting paid more as a coordinator than many head coaches. That because the Ravens and another team tried to hire him away in 2008, but Jerry paid the piper to keep him on deck for Ole Wade.

bearsfan_51 · 11-15-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by drowe

hardly. 51 is good people. i was giving him crap.

but, professor 51 should know that if he doesn't like hearing people hype up their own team and beat down division rivals, that team's forums MIGHT not be the best place for him. :)

but, great to have him. in a perfect world, we'd be able to have spirited debate with a division rival fan.

I just wish Minnesota wasn't such a walking pile of monkey crap so we could talk college football.....

Sportsfan486 · 11-15-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Right, and coaches payrolls are pretty insignificant right? I mean there's no salary cap for them or anything.

But we did know that Jason Garrett was getting paid more as a coordinator than many head coaches. That because the Ravens and another team tried to hire him away in 2008, but Jerry paid the piper to keep him on deck for Ole Wade.

About five years ago $1 mil salary was the highest paid coordinator. So I'd imagine that's right about what Capers makes, since it's surely inflated a bit since then and Capers should be somewhere close to the top but not at it.

TitleTown088 · 11-15-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by drowe

hardly. 51 is good people. i was giving him crap.

Didn't mean to imply he wasn't. You two are just hardly ever around anymore.

I even miss BF51 pwning noob packer fans.

J-Mike88 · 11-15-2010, 10:16 PM

How the hell did we lose to this team?
Vick made this Redskins defense look like a different maroon and gold team:
The Golden Gophers.

We lost to these guys?
Son of a ******.

59-21, and Andy Potbelly Reid still has Vick in.

drowe · 11-16-2010, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

Didn't mean to imply he wasn't. You two are just hardly ever around anymore.

I even miss BF51 pwning noob packer fans.

Yeah, I wish I could be around more. That's one part of my old job that I miss. Very little responsibility or accountability. Allthough, that's probably a big reason my position was one of the first to be eliminated.

BloodBrother · 11-16-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

How the hell did we lose to this team?
Vick made this Redskins defense look like a different maroon and gold team:
The Golden Gophers.

We lost to these guys?
Son of a ******.

59-21, and Andy Potbelly Reid still has Vick in.

it's all about when you play them. If the packers played the Skins now, they'd have won big. Actually, even back then during their struggles, the packers probably win if Clay plays the entire game

Sportsfan486 · 11-16-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

How the hell did we lose to this team?
Vick made this Redskins defense look like a different maroon and gold team:
The Golden Gophers.

We lost to these guys?
Son of a ******.

59-21, and Andy Potbelly Reid still has Vick in.

Meh, Vick is a nightmare for opposing teams. The Redskins pretty obviously over-thought playing him and got absolutely destroyed on simple play-fakes and rollouts. They never went full out with pressure and just tried to keep him in the pocket, which failed miserably when Reid came back with designed rollouts. It's like when we played the Eagles; we absolutely shut them down until Vick came in and nearly led a comeback. He's playing at a higher level than he ever has, obviously benefiting from Reid's playcalling and playmakers all around him (that WR trio is just sick and then you have McCoy as another speed/catchy guy out of the backfield.)
This is almost certainly the most talent-ridden offense in the league and it suits Vick's skills perfectly (lots of rollouts, two receivers with insane speed to catch anything he throws deep, lots of high % passes in screens and such.)

The Eagles have the most speed on offense and when you have speed, you're going to have some big games like this. (Also helped that Reid never pulled Vick and that Redskins team, except for McNabb, pretty much gave up.)

J-Mike88 · 11-16-2010, 04:19 PM

Yeah, the Giants at Eagles game this Sunday Night is definitely Must-See TV.
What a change in a week.
Last week, almost everyone was crowning the Giants in the NFC.

Then Hotlanta beats Baltimore, Dallas doubles their season win total in powerless Giants Stadium, and Philly just Tomahawk's the Redskins. And the Bears crush the Grape Apes.

Things change fast in the NFL.
What's next?

Sportsfan486 · 11-16-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Yeah, the Giants at Eagles game this Sunday Night is definitely Must-See TV.
What a change in a week.
Last week, almost everyone was crowning the Giants in the NFC.

Then Hotlanta beats Baltimore, Dallas doubles their season win total in powerless Giants Stadium, and Philly just Tomahawk's the Redskins. And the Bears crush the Grape Apes.

Things change fast in the NFL.
What's next?

Packers get the healthiest they've been all year and winning 7 in a row?

J-Mike88 · 11-16-2010, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsfan486

Packers get the healthiest they've been all year and winning 7 in a row?

I'll drink to that.
But it has to be +3 in a row after the regular season ends!

J-Mike88 · 11-17-2010, 01:56 PM

From Vandermouse:

Only one team in the NFC has a better record than the Packers’ 6-3 mark.

No team in the NFL has allowed fewer points than the Packers.

The Packers’ plus-78 point differential is the best in the league.

The Packers beat the New York Jets, who boast the best record in the AFC.

Yet for all those accomplishments, if the NFL playoffs started today, the Packers wouldn’t be invited to the party.

The Packers are tied for first place in the NFC North with Chicago, but right now the Bears own the tiebreaker over the Packers by virtue of their 20-17 victory earlier this season.

The Packers are among six teams in the NFC with 6-3 records, just one game behind league-leading Atlanta (7-2). But based on wild-card tiebreakers, the Packers would be left out in the cold.

Although the Packers defeated the Eagles (6-3) in the season opener, Philadelphia would make the playoffs because it currently sits atop the NFC East.

The Giants (6-3) and Saints (6-3) would edge out the Packers for wild-card berths based on better records against NFC teams.

Meanwhile, Seattle (5-4) would get in because of its first-place standing in the weak sister NFC West.

The Packers are currently ranked No. 7 among NFC teams in terms of playoff seeding. The Buccaneers, also at 6-3, are ranked No. 8 in the NFC.

Here are the NFC seedings, as of right now:

1. Falcons (7-2)

2. Eagles (6-3)

3. Bears (6-3)

4. Seahawks (5-4)

5. Giants (6-3)

6. Saints (6-3)

7. Packers (6-3)

8. Bucs (6-3)

9. Rams (4-5)

10. Redskins (4-5)

J-Mike88 · 11-17-2010, 09:56 PM

Some more indirect evidence/examples of why we shouldn't expect to simply roll thru the Vikings on Sunday, from Peter King. And keep in mind McNabb and the Redskins won at Philly earlier this season, then on Monday, well, they were obliterated by Vick:

• Once 5-2, Kansas City tumbling on the road within the division for a second consecutive week, slipping back into that 5-4 morass that seems to represent about half the league. The Raiders (5-4), praise be, are actually in first place through 10 weeks.

• Ditto for Tennessee, which lost 29-17 at Miami despite its new toy, Randy Moss, and the Dolphins going through every quarterback in town this side of Earl Morrall. Just the other day, I was writing about the surprising 5-2 Titans, with their high-powered offense. They're now 5-4 and have lost two in a row to teams that were at .500 or below.

jackalope · 11-17-2010, 10:53 PM

How does everyone feel about Shields being back on return duties? I was relieved when we'd given up on him in preseason, because as much as much as I like him as a corner, he's not a return guy. I'm scared that they're trying to force something that isn't going to materialize and could be a disaster.

BloodBrother · 11-17-2010, 11:00 PM

Well, they have continued to work with him during practice, so hopefully by now he has improved his ability to catch the ball

Also, reading all the updates from practices this week has been a breathe of fresh air. Actually reading GOOD news regarding the various injuries this team has had

Cullen Jenkins has his cast off now!

GB12 · 11-17-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

How does everyone feel about Shields being back on return duties? I was relieved when we'd given up on him in preseason, because as much as much as I like him as a corner, he's not a return guy. I'm scared that they're trying to force something that isn't going to materialize and could be a disaster.

I believe we're only using him on kickoffs. I sure hope we are at least. If he's on punts I expect us to lose at least one ball from him dropping it.

Sportsfan486 · 11-18-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jackalope

How does everyone feel about Shields being back on return duties? I was relieved when we'd given up on him in preseason, because as much as much as I like him as a corner, he's not a return guy. I'm scared that they're trying to force something that isn't going to materialize and could be a disaster.

Bad. Awful. Horrible.

Williams and Nelson should be our returners. Period.

Zycho32 · 11-18-2010, 03:31 AM

I've no objection to Shields returning Kickoffs per se. He looked downright explosive that one try against Dallas.

Punts, on the other hand....

J-Mike88 · 11-18-2010, 06:38 AM

His hands beating Miles Austin for that interception were pretty impressive.
Still, I only want Shields returning kickoffs at the moment.
I noticed that Holmgren & Mangini signed Clifton Smith this week as an insurance kick/punt returner for the Browns as Josh Cribbs is banged up.

I'd still rather have a specialized guy like that doing the duties than a very valuable cornerback like Tramon Williams. Even Shields is too valuable IMO to risk injury at that position.

I'd rather let go of OL #10 and keep a specialized guy on the return unit.

Zycho32 · 11-18-2010, 09:52 AM

Speaking of Special Teams, does Jarrett Bush look like he's once more acceptable now that he's not as showcased in the secondary? It seems he's been in the thick of things more often as a gunner- and I notice he was the one who striped Dez Bryant of the ball during that one return.

BloodBrother · 11-18-2010, 12:42 PM

I have no problem with Shields returning kicks. They have continued to work with him in that aspect so by now I'd hope he can catch the ball cleanly. He's definitely more explosive than Nelson

J-Mike88 · 11-19-2010, 06:37 AM

Damn Bears..... they've done a great job winning games against the Panthers backup QB, and the Dolphins 3rd string QB playing behind a patchwork OL and no Brandon Marshall to throw to midway-out.

How did we lose to that Miami team?
How did we lose to that Redskin team that just sent Michael Vick into the National Football League Hall of Fame?

drowe · 11-19-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Damn Bears..... they've done a great job winning games against the Panthers backup QB, and the Dolphins 3rd string QB playing behind a patchwork OL and no Brandon Marshall to throw to midway-out.

How did we lose to that Miami team?
How did we lose to that Redskin team that just sent Michael Vick into the National Football League Hall of Fame?

for real. why couldn't we get the dolphins this week?

with the bears schedule, they really needed that win.

now, it's a huge 2 week stretch for the Packers. Lose to the vikings and we're suddenly up against a wall going down to Atlanta to play one of the elite teams in the NFC.

beat the vikings and we can take a big step towards not even playing in the first round of the playoffs by beating Atlanta the next week.

stress.

J-Mike88 · 11-20-2010, 12:53 AM

I want a playoff BYE so badly...... that would put us just one home win away from the NFC Championship game.

We win our next 2 games, and I'd say there's a better than 70% chance that scenario plays out.

Come on offense, let's heat up, and please God, keep Clifton & Bulaga healthy on the edges. That's so damn important, going into 2 loud domes with some good edge rushers.

Sportsfan486 · 11-20-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

I want a playoff BYE so badly...... that would put us just one home win away from the NFC Championship game.

We win our next 2 games, and I'd say there's a better than 70% chance that scenario plays out.

Come on offense, let's heat up, and please God, keep Clifton & Bulaga healthy on the edges. That's so damn important, going into 2 loud domes with some good edge rushers.

We'll see what happens. It's probably going to come down to week 17 either for the division or for whether we get a bye (and the Bears will probably be fighting for playoffs if that happens.)

This week is a big one, though. We lose here and we're in a hole.