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Old 02-11-2011, 05:14 PM    (permalink
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Far and away the best superbowl video on NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-super-...owl-XLV-part-3


As far as Free agents are concerned:

I truly believe Jenkins is gone, sad as it is, as he has at least 3 or 4 years of Pro Bowl play left in him. But I think we will get back a rejuvenated Johnny Jolly, who was probably the teams best DL in 2009.

http://blogs.greenbaypressgazette.co...reinstatement/

I think Colledge is gone, but Spitz will be back to fight with Lang for the starting LG spot. When healthy, I always liked Spitz more than Colledge.

I think both FB's will be back, the Pack will still keep 3 FB's next season as Hall is invaluable at special teams and Kuhn can play RB and FB.

Donald Lee will be gone and the Packers will keep only 3 TE's.

James Jones will be back, he is so close to taking over for DD.

I think with B-Jax it will come to whether he wants to be a 3rd down specialist or try elsewhere, I think if they can resign him they will, my guess is he goes for a starting gig. I am hoping I am wrong on this one.

Wilhelm will be gone as will Bigby.

Peprah will be resigned and will battle with Burnett for the starting spot.

I think Tausch will retire.

I think Poppinga is on the outs even though they gave him a stupid contract.

I think between Barnett and Hawk one of them will have to go. I would prefer Hawk to stay over Barnett because I think he is just getting into his groove in the middle.

I know their will be plenty of subtractions from the current roster, but we still are going to have to extend Raji, Matthews, Finley, and Sitton in the future, all of which are going to command top dollar, so the cap flexibility will be crucial to the Packers continued success.

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Some more good news... TT locked up.

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The Green Bay Packers have signed General Manager Ted Thompson to a multi-year contract extension, team president Mark Murphy said Friday.

Murphy said the sides actually agreed to the deal in December but wanted to wait until after the season to announce it so it wouldn’t be a distraction for the team in its successful bid to win the Super Bowl.

Thompson had two years remaining on his contract. Murphy wouldn’t comment on the length of the deal, but the last time Thompson did a contract extension, in January 2008, he also had two years remaining, and it extended his deal to five years.
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Well let the coaching shuffle begin:

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The Dallas Cowboys have hired Jimmy Robinson as their new wide receivers coach. Robinson held that same position with the Packers for the past five seasons.

Dallas will be Robinson’s sixth NFL franchise in a pro coaching career that has spanned more than two decades. He also coached wide receivers for Atlanta (1990-93), Indianapolis (1994-97), the N.Y. Giants (1998-2003) and New Orleans (2004-05) before coming to Green Bay (2006-10).

Robinson’s ties to Cowboys head coach Jason Garrett stem from his time with the Giants. Garrett was the team’s backup quarterback during part of that time period.

While with Green Bay, Robinson saw two of his receivers make the NFC’s Pro Bowl roster. Donald Driver was selected in both 2006 and 2007, and Greg Jennings was selected this year, though he didn’t play in the game because the Packers advanced to the Super Bowl.

Robinson played WR for six seasons with three different teams (1976-81). He played in college at Georgia Tech, where he is a member of the school’s hall of fame.

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Meh, he can't teach our WRs not to drop balls and Donald Driver and Greg Jennings hardly owe their success to him. Least important of our position coaches, imo.
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I agree.
Not a big loss.
Jimmy must like the potential for things to go up in Dallas with Dez Bryant and Miles Austin.
For him, that's a sell-high (now), buy low-sell high easy call. Dallas' offense will get a lot better with Romo healthy and Dez in year #2. Now he'll stand to get a lot of credit regardless.
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I wonder if any of these guys, specifically the WRs, will be able to step-up next year or the year after and make some plays. Remember, guys like Tramon Williams and John Kuhn were practice squaders for us, and James Harrison for Baltimore/Pitt. I liked Chastin West in preseason.

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The eight who finished the regular season on the practice squad are: guard Adrian Battles, tackle Chris Campbell, safety Michael Greco, linebacker Cardia Jackson, wide receivers Antonio Robinson and Chastin West, defensive tackle Jay Ross and defensive end Curtis Young.
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maybe one can step up and become a legit KR/PR
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Michael Greco is a physical freak, maybe he can become something
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I agree.
Not a big loss.
Jimmy must like the potential for things to go up in Dallas with Dez Bryant and Miles Austin.
For him, that's a sell-high (now), buy low-sell high easy call. Dallas' offense will get a lot better with Romo healthy and Dez in year #2. Now he'll stand to get a lot of credit regardless.
Exactly what I thought. He goes to a team with Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Roy Williams that struggled this year and next year he looks awesome and transitions into an OC job somewhere.

Whatever, I could give a damn about a WR coach. Least important position coach in the NFL. "Hai guyz, go 15 yards, cut right, catch the ball."

The only time a WR does anything that isn't specifically scripted is on scrambles, and then they just go the direction the QB is scrambling and towards him. Let's face it, being a WR doesn't involve tons of coaching.
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Anyone know anything about WR Antonio Robinson?

We've had a nice recent history with guys coming off practice squad and blossoming into players for us. I gotta think that continues going forward.... would love to see a WR or DB help charge the return game!
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Let's face it, being a WR doesn't involve tons of coaching.
That's just wrong. Route running is an incredibly important part of being a receiver, and that is what good coaches help. A good coach will get the players to the point where the timing is perfect every time. Their routes will be identical every time they run it and the QB will know exactly where the receiver will end up on every play. Sloppy route running kills many good receivers.
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That's just wrong. Route running is an incredibly important part of being a receiver, and that is what good coaches help. A good coach will get the players to the point where the timing is perfect every time. Their routes will be identical every time they run it and the QB will know exactly where the receiver will end up on every play. Sloppy route running kills many good receivers.
Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't matter. But it's not as important as other positions, especially when you reach the pro level and should at least have a knowledge of all the routes and it's all about tweaking.

A WR doesn't have to make reads or adjustments, he goes out, runs a route or blocks, and catches the football or blocks.

Coaching is always important but I think there's a reason the WR position attracts the most divas.. because it involves the least coaching.
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Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't matter. But it's not as important as other positions, especially when you reach the pro level and should at least have a knowledge of all the routes and it's all about tweaking.

A WR doesn't have to make reads or adjustments, he goes out, runs a route or blocks, and catches the football or blocks.

Coaching is always important but I think there's a reason the WR position attracts the most divas.. because it involves the least coaching.
Again, not true. Especially in the NFL--the WR position requires reading and adjustments. There are very few plays that have a receiver run a set route(quick slant, fade, fade stop, or anything on the backside being the exceptions). The receivers need to know how to run the route and also which route the QB expects them to run vs the defense they are facing.

Is a WR coach as important as a QB coach or an Oline/Dline coach? No, not even close. He probably isn't as important as a linebackers coach. But he is at least as important as a DB or RB coach.

WR attracts the most divas because it is a glory position. It involves very little dirty work. Not to mention, the most athletically gifted people usually end up at WR; those are the people who have been deified their entire lives because of their unique ability. That turns anyone into a diva. Its the same reason corners are such divas.
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You have to download it and upload it to youtube... takes about 5 minutes tops when you know how to do it

Free agents: the only essentials are Mason Crosby and a LG (assuming Colledge). Jenkins is one of the best 3-4 DEs in the game and is our only real pass rusher besides Clay. The only player we have that could play his position is Mike Neal, not Jolly, because Jolly doesn't get the push or penetration Jenkins does. Obviously Jenkins is a 10x better option than Neal but we have to deal with inflated contract offers from teams who want a player with a ring. It's a fine line between players who want to stay with the organization that raised them, got them a ring, have excellent chance at getting another ring, and the players who will take a 10%-20% raise to go play in a place like the black hole of Oakland and collect checks while being lazy.

The starting SS battle is going to be very, very interesting next year. Morgan Burnett was one of my favorite picks of the draft we made and he played well before getting hurt. Peprah isn't as complete a player as I would like but we won a ring with him. Burnett is closer to the prototype we are looking for but still largely unknown. Then there is the dark horse Bigby, but since he was last seen playing special teams he'll probably sign anywhere but here since he wasn't happy before and won't be happy as maybe our #3 option there, at risk of getting cut, and almost definitely designated a special teamer.

ROLB will be a good one to watch too. I don't think we can cut Zombo but he's a minus as a starter. I can't decide who I like better out of Brad Jones and Eric Walden. Walden is more athletic with more upside but Jones has a better football IQ. I don't know how many OLBs we will carry, but I would like to see:
1a. Eric Walden
1b. Brad Jones
2. Frank Zombo
3. rookie
with Clay that is 5, 5 and a half with Chillar which seems pretty reasonable. Poppinga can go to another team and maybe have some success but he's the odd man out here.
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I really liked Burnett when he played. I think he really has the potential to be a special player back there. Peprah is a good cover safety but doesn't bring much playmaking or run support to the table.

I think seeing if Walden and/or Jones develops as a legit 2nd pass-rusher will be interesting. ESPECIALLY if we lose Jenkins, which I pray we don't, we need more pressure guys back there.
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I like Burnett to, but he did struggle/look tentative when it came to the Run D. Peprah was much, much better vs the run than Burnett this past season. Better sure tackler, to. Burnett DID show he has ballhawking skills, and with more coaching I think he'll develop into a good player
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I really liked Burnett when he played. I think he really has the potential to be a special player back there. Peprah is a good cover safety but doesn't bring much playmaking or run support to the table.
Its actually quite the opposite. Peprah is more of an in the box type safety while Burnett is like having another free safety along side Collins.

As of right now its Peprah's job to lose. He played assignment sound football since becoming the starter. I can't see Bigby returning either so its between Peprah and Burnett.
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I think it's pretty clear we want Hawk over Barnett. Bishop has made Barnett rather pointless and he's been a distraction, not to mention injury prone. I can't think of anyone that wouldn't like to see us drop Barnett if it means working out a reasonable contract with Hawk.

I loved Barnett in a 4-3, but he's never fit as a 3-4.
He fit very well in a 3-4. I was concerned about that before we made the switch, but he had one of the best seasons of his career last year. And you can count me as one that doesn't want to drop Barnett for Hawk. Barnett is the better player, in both schemes.

I think the biggest reason we saw the improvement in Hawk's play was Desmond Bishop. As soon as he became a starter Bishop took over as our main run stuffer and tackler. That's what we were missing earlier since neither Hawk or Barnett are that type of linebacker. That's the kind of player Hawk should have been. I think Barnett's game would improve as well if he plays along side Bishop. Plus he compliments Bishop better than Hawk does.
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The starting SS battle is going to be very, very interesting next year. Morgan Burnett was one of my favorite picks of the draft we made and he played well before getting hurt. Peprah isn't as complete a player as I would like but we won a ring with him. Burnett is closer to the prototype we are looking for but still largely unknown. Then there is the dark horse Bigby, but since he was last seen playing special teams he'll probably sign anywhere but here since he wasn't happy before and won't be happy as maybe our #3 option there, at risk of getting cut, and almost definitely designated a special teamer.
I think it's quite clear that Peprah was the best safety on our roster this year, other than Nick Collins of course. There was a noticeable improvement once he took over for Burnett.

Bigby is done here. I was a supporter back in '07. If he would have been healthy I think he could have turned into a good player. However his injuries have taken a toll on him -he has regressed each year since- and he can't stay on the field.
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I think the thing with Hawk is that he was selected as a playoff Captain, I know if Barnett was there maybe that would have changed, but I think MM will want to keep him around, and it has been mentioned before Hawk is a TT guy.

Sure wish we could create the new base defense of a 2-5-4, where we have 3 stud ILB's.

My guess is Barnett gets traded for a 3rd rounder which is terrible value for him, but it is the only way to get anything for him.
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I think the thing with Hawk is that he was selected as a playoff Captain, I know if Barnett was there maybe that would have changed, but I think MM will want to keep him around, and it has been mentioned before Hawk is a TT guy.
If Barnett was there I bet he would have been the captain. He's been one of the leaders of our defense for years. And Barnett might not have been drafted by Thompson, but Thompson did give him the big extension. I think it's 50-50 on who's brought back, each has some advantages over the other.


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My guess is Barnett gets traded for a 3rd rounder which is terrible value for him, but it is the only way to get anything for him.
I doubt we could get a third. Draft picks are valued so highly by GMs these days.
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Yeah, interior linebackers are not a hot commodity by any means these days. Anyone remember what Jonathan Vilma went for? I think it was like a 4th.

Morgan Burnett could definitely take the job away from Peprah. He's physically superior and a willing tackler, but he's inconsistent in all aspects. Not too different from Nick Collins his rookie year. Until he spends some time in camp and preseason, it's anyones guess, but no question he could pass Peprah on the depth chart if he can become a more complete, consistent player. He also might see the field in nickel or dime formations since he's athletic and does much better in zone than man coverage.
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Yeah, interior linebackers are not a hot commodity by any means these days. Anyone remember what Jonathan Vilma went for? I think it was like a 4th.

Morgan Burnett could definitely take the job away from Peprah. He's physically superior and a willing tackler, but he's inconsistent in all aspects. Not too different from Nick Collins his rookie year. Until he spends some time in camp and preseason, it's anyones guess, but no question he could pass Peprah on the depth chart if he can become a more complete, consistent player. He also might see the field in nickel or dime formations since he's athletic and does much better in zone than man coverage.
He definitely could improve over the offseason, but as of now Peprah is clearly superior.

And no way he goes in for nickel over shields. He should be able to over Bush/Lee in dime though.
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Peprah>Burnett
Hawk>Barnett

And I disagree that Crosby is a must-keep.
Why is he a must keep?

He's never been that accurate.
And if his leg is so strong, why are most opposing kickers kicking off 5-10 yards deeper than he is.

I'd like to keep Mason, but certainly not for top 25% kicker dollar.
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Peprah>Burnett
Hawk>Barnett

And I disagree that Crosby is a must-keep.
Why is he a must keep?

He's never been that accurate.
And if his leg is so strong, why are most opposing kickers kicking off 5-10 yards deeper than he is.

I'd like to keep Mason, but certainly not for top 25% kicker dollar.
Peprah is better than Burnett. Btu Barnett is better than Hawk. It's not a huge marign, but Barnett isbetter. Crosby is not a must keep, but he's better tham any onther kicker on teh marekt so he cohule staty.
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