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Old 08-19-2011, 08:30 PM    (permalink
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Neal's knee injury is worse than first reported(which usually ends up being the case)
It is always worse than reported!
Except with Reggie White.

Our no-huddle offense looks great, like the old Lakers fast-break.
Alex Green! Wow.
Dude looks great!
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TT is gonna look like the biggest d!ck if Mike Neal gets injured and misses time. Looks like our no1 need for the 2012 draft will be DE. Ryan Pickett isnt getting any younger either. Who would be starting if Neal is hurt? CJ Wilson? Teams are gonna run all over us!!!
I disagree. For one you're assuming that Neal was to be the starter which I think is pretty irrelevant. Even if he was at 100% we were going to run our personel with our packages. Neal was to play a role, just as Wilson, Wynn, and Green are.

Secondly, you're making reference to not paying Cullen Jenkins while calling out Ryan Picketts age. Pickett is only a little over a year older than Jenkins and has a proven track record of not missing many games.

Fact is its a numbers game. You load up with talented guys and keep them fresh by giving them a specified role. Sure Neal has starter potential but each guy brings something to the table. He's one guy in the scheme of things, no need to panic and overreact...
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I disagree. For one you're assuming that Neal was to be the starter which I think is pretty irrelevant. Even if he was at 100% we were going to run our personel with our packages. Neal was to play a role, just as Wilson, Wynn, and Green are.

Secondly, you're making reference to not paying Cullen Jenkins while calling out Ryan Picketts age. Pickett is only a little over a year older than Jenkins and has a proven track record of not missing many games.

Fact is its a numbers game. You load up with talented guys and keep them fresh by giving them a specified role. Sure Neal has starter potential but each guy brings something to the table. He's one guy in the scheme of things, no need to panic and overreact...
Its pretty obvious Neal is Jenkins replacement. And our run defense was bad enough last year. Put in Neal for Jenkins and the run defense will only get worse. What im saying is that if Neal does miss time and we have CJ Wilson or Howard Green taking the majority of the snaps then thats not going to make our defense any better and TT only has himself to blame because he didnt bring in anyone after Jenkins left and put all his hope in an injury prone 1st year starter, a 7th round draft pick and someone he picked off waivers mid way through the season.
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Its pretty obvious Neal is Jenkins replacement.
How so? Even without his knee injury he's still recovering from a shoulder injury and wouldn't have been at 100% still October at the earliest. It was pretty obvious that we were going to run with a rotation at DE this season.

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What im saying is that if Neal does miss time and we have CJ Wilson or Howard Green taking the majority of the snaps then thats not going to make our defense any better and TT only has himself to blame because he didnt bring in anyone after Jenkins left and put all his hope in an injury prone 1st year starter, a 7th round draft pick and someone he picked off waivers mid way through the season.
So say we did keep Jenkins, we'd still have the same players as last year which ranked in the middle of run defense. Who won the Superbowl last year?
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How so? Even without his knee injury he's still recovering from a shoulder injury and wouldn't have been at 100% still October at the earliest. It was pretty obvious that we were going to run with a rotation at DE this season.

So say we did keep Jenkins, we'd still have the same players as last year which ranked in the middle of run defense. Who won the Superbowl last year?
Yeah there would of been some sort of rotation but was always gonna be the starter.

So you're just happy with being slightly worse when other teams like the Eagles, Saints and Patriots are all pushing to get better.
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CJ Wilson was good vs the run. The only issue is that without Neal they wouldn't have a guy to provide a pass rush at the end position like Jenkins did. Raji would be the only guy up front who could generate a rush


Neal's injury isn't even anything to think about right now either. By all accounts he'll be back within a week or 2 so this is much to do about nothing(for now)
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Mike Neal is obviously cued to be the replacement for Jenkins.
McCarthy has said so himself, and all the Press-Gazette and Journal-Sentinel, and ESPNmilwaukee guys have discussed that.
But that's trivial anyway.

Our biggest weakness on defense is against the run. It was last year, and it would seem to be so again this year. Wilson is good against the run. But the addition of fat Howard along with Pickett and Raji (That's over 1000 pounds of beef in those 3 guys) has helped the run game.

Bishop should keep getting better, and Hawk is a tackling machine. Still, depth is important.

Jarius Wynn seems like just a body that other teams make plays thru.
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Yeah there would of been some sort of rotation but was always gonna be the starter.

So you're just happy with being slightly worse when other teams like the Eagles, Saints and Patriots are all pushing to get better.
The starter is irrelevant and it esscentially was last year too seeing we went primarily with whomever fit the package we were in.

Who's saying we haven't gotten better? Just because you spent alot of money and add a bunch of players doesn't mean you're going to get better. We're developing guys who fit our system and grooming our home grown guys. Look how much improved guys like Bulaga, Newhouse, Starks, Walden, and even Raji.

Its just funny seeing some of you panic over 1 or 2 players in the entire scheme of things.
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It's just funny seeing some of you panic over 1 or 2 players in the entire scheme of things.
Not sure where the word "panic" enters into your discussion here.

But one thing to be concerned with, as learned last year, is depth.

We were lucky the bad injuries didn't hit us at QB, LT, CB, #52, and #85.
How would losing Clifton instead of Jones, Chillar, Barnett?
Can Newhouse or Sherrod handle it out there?

On the defense, we saw the dropoff in the XLV when Woodson went out.
For the first almost half of the game, Roethlisberger's passing rating was about 40.
After Chuck left, his rating was over 100 and they almost pulled it out.

I like Davon House, and Josh Gordy looks better than Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood already. That's exciting depth potential there.

Changing subjects, I gotta tip my cap to AJ Hawk. That guy is a warrior. He comes to play, he shows up, punches the timeclock, and he makes tackles.

I love that guy. Not flashy, just gets the job done. I used to want him to show more emotion and passion.... to fire up the other guys.
But that's not his personality.... new guys like Matthews and Raji do that.
Woodson does the talking pre-game.
It's all good.
But AJ Hawk doesn't get the love I feel he deserves from CheeseNation.
But he did get his $ for all his good deeds.
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Not sure where the word "panic" enters into your discussion here.

But one thing to be concerned with, as learned last year, is depth.
Multiple pages on multiple threads I guess. Injuries and depth are a concern for 31 other teams as well. No team is going to be covered at every position for an entire season. Yes we have holes but so does everyone else.

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We were lucky the bad injuries didn't hit us at QB, LT, CB, #52, and #85.
How would losing Clifton instead of Jones, Chillar, Barnett?
Can Newhouse or Sherrod handle it out there?
No different than losing our starting RB and starting TE. We made due. Good teams find a way to win.

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On the defense, we saw the dropoff in the XLV when Woodson went out.
For the first almost half of the game, Roethlisberger's passing rating was about 40.
After Chuck left, his rating was over 100 and they almost pulled it out.

I like Davon House, and Josh Gordy looks better than Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood already. That's exciting depth potential there.
We saw a dropoff when Woodson AND Shields went down. I don't know many, if any, teams than would have the roster depth to withstand that.

Look at where we were a few seasons ago, weak in the secondary and strong with the front 4. Things change, players come and go, weakness's become strengths, and strengths become weakness's. Like I said you aren't going to find a roster with 53 quality starters on it.
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No different than losing our starting RB and starting TE. We made due. Good teams find a way to win.
Very true.
But let's be honest here: RB & TE are overrated positions, and one need not look any further than Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Adrian Peterson, and LaDanian Tomlinson.
Between those 4 best of their positions, they have about 40 combined great years in the NFL, and not a one time has either even made it to a Super Bowl.

Anyway, I think our depth at CB should be better than ever if Davon House can get healed up fresh and ready to go.

I believe in TJ Lang. At guard. He just needs repetitions there over and over, and I believe he can settle in long-term there.
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Keep in mind to, if Thompson and Co. aren't happy with the depth at a certain position, you can't rule out him making a few minor trades. Maybe trade from one of his strengths to improve a weakness. This team is loaded at WR/TE/RB and will have to make some difficult cuts in those groups

could always see Thompson working a deal or 2 from that group to add a Dlineman if need be
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Frank Zombo has a broken scapula and will miss "significant amount of time" according to McCarthy in his post-practice presser just now

He suffered it in pre-game vs the Cardinals by colliding with John Kuhn, played through it however. Guess the OLB battle thinned a bit. Walden looks like the favorite for sure, especially since Brad Jones sat out practice today with a knee sprain(he's always hurt)
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These guys are so fragile for us for some reason (OLB).
It makes me amazed that James Harrison and Lamar Woodley never seem to miss any time for the Steelers.

Ricky Elmore has looked awful.
Poppinga and Chillar are gone.
Now Zombo is gone.

We're down a few guys now already at that position before we even get to fake-game #3.

Capers scheme is pretty complex. It's not a position you can just sign a guy off the street and tell him to blitz off the edge every day.

Walden and Matthews better stay healthy.
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Very true.
But let's be honest here: RB & TE are overrated positions, and one need not look any further than Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Adrian Peterson, and LaDanian Tomlinson.
Between those 4 best of their positions, they have about 40 combined great years in the NFL, and not a one time has either even made it to a Super Bowl.
I wouldn't quite say that, but reguardless good teams and good coaches can adjust and thats what we did last year.

Your analogy can work both ways too, Trent Dilfer is a prime example. How about Rex Grossman? Both teams had strong running games and defenses. Its not an exact formula which is why 1 or 2 great players will rarely carry a team.

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Anyway, I think our depth at CB should be better than ever if Davon House can get healed up fresh and ready to go.
Williams, Woodson, Shields, House, and Gordy. Time to end the Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood experiments. I really think we have a steal in House. Having him learn from Woodson and Williams is a huge benefit as well.

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I believe in TJ Lang. At guard. He just needs repetitions there over and over, and I believe he can settle in long-term there.
I'm a little worried about Lang but they need to name him the starter already. He's our best option at the position, period. They need to get Sherrod prepped at LT, even if its a redshirt season for him.
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My guess as to the Packers 53-man roster .... OK, I can only get it down to 55!
I expect some guys to be "stashed" on IR with nagging injuries who TT & MM don't want to lose off the practice squad.
Davon House is a guy that's possible, but if he heals up and flashes in p-game 3 & 4, it's possible they release Bush because they really like Gordy. If they think Gordy can make it to the practice squad, they'll send him there.

OFFENSE (28)
QB (3): Rodgers, Flynn, Harrell
RB (4): Grant, Starks, Green
FB (2): Kuhn, QJ
TE (4): Finley, DJ Williams, Quarless, Taylor
WR (6): Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, West
OL (9): Clifton, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Bulaga, Sherrod, Newhouse, McDonald, Dietrich-Smith

I am predicting Crabtree is the toughest, most surprising cut.
Also, I am predicting that Chastin West is tried to be waived to our practice squad, but there's no way he'd make it as numerous teams would snatch a claim on him. So we keep him, but he's inactive unless we get some injuries at WR. We'd love him as KR.

DEFENSE & SPECIAL TEAMS (27)
DL (6): Pickett, BJ Raji, Neal, CJ Wilson, Green, Wynn
ILB (4): AJ Hawk, Bishop, DJ Smith, Elijah Joseph (over Francois, who I thought was bad on Sat, noticed 2 missed assignments)
OLB (4): Matthews, Walden, Jones, Lattimore
CB (6): Williams, Woodson, Shields, House, Bush, Gordy
S (4): Collins, Burnett, Peprah, Levine

K: Crosby
P: Masthay
LS: Goode
(PR/KR: Cobb)

IR: Zombo
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My guess as to the Packers 53-man roster .... OK, I can only get it down to 55!
I expect some guys to be "stashed" on IR with nagging injuries who TT & MM don't want to lose off the practice squad.
Davon House is a guy that's possible, but if he heals up and flashes in p-game 3 & 4, it's possible they release Bush because they really like Gordy. If they think Gordy can make it to the practice squad, they'll send him there.

OFFENSE (28)
QB (3): Rodgers, Flynn, Harrell
RB (4): Grant, Starks, Green
FB (2): Kuhn, QJ
TE (4): Finley, DJ Williams, Quarless, Taylor
WR (6): Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, West
OL (9): Clifton, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Bulaga, Sherrod, Newhouse, McDonald, Dietrich-Smith

I am predicting Crabtree is the toughest, most surprising cut.
Also, I am predicting that Chastin West is tried to be waived to our practice squad, but there's no way he'd make it as numerous teams would snatch a claim on him. So we keep him, but he's inactive unless we get some injuries at WR. We'd love him as KR.

DEFENSE & SPECIAL TEAMS (27)
DL (6): Pickett, BJ Raji, Neal, CJ Wilson, Green, Wynn
ILB (4): AJ Hawk, Bishop, DJ Smith, Elijah Joseph (over Francois, who I thought was bad on Sat, noticed 2 missed assignments)
OLB (4): Matthews, Walden, Jones, Lattimore
CB (6): Williams, Woodson, Shields, House, Bush, Gordy
S (4): Collins, Burnett, Peprah, Levine

K: Crosby
P: Masthay
LS: Goode
(PR/KR: Cobb)

IR: Zombo
One question and then I will comment.

Can Zombo be put on the PUP? If so, he should, he needs to let that shoulder heal completely.

I think you might be right about Crabtree J-Mike. I think we only need one blocking TE and Quarless has looked pretty good in that regard, and he is clearly the better of the two at catching passes. However, Crabtree is jacked and he is by far the best blocker of the group, but once again, he isn't really a threat in the pass game, so if teams see him in there they can guess more than likely the Packers will be running. Whereas with Quarless it is a toss up. Either way, one of these guys will be cut: Quarless, Crabtree, or Taylor.

I think Dominguez makes it over E D-S due to the fact that he can play guard or, if needed, tackle, and I think he is a better prospect.

I am not really sure if Quinn Johnson makes it, especially with our current OLB and DE injuries. I really wish Guy would get over the concussions because I think he could be a legit 3-4 DE, but he needs PT. I also think So'oto is going to make it.

I really want the Packers to keep West, but 6 WRs is a lot, especially when you have J-Mike and DJ Williams. Therefore I don't see him being on the team.

I really want to watch the DB's this coming game to see guys like MD Jennings and Brandian Ross. I really think they are sleepers who could end up making this team.

I also want to end the Jarrett Bush/Pat Lee saga that we have watched for too long; get some fresh blood in there.
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Our WRs are so deep (if you believe Chastin West is legit, as I do), that trading either Jones or Jordyzzz wouldn't be a bad move if it could be for someone who upgrades us at a position (LG or ROLB) as much as it would upgrade the other team at WR.

Donald still has it.
Cobb and West's futures are bright. Jennings is just entering his prime..... James & Jordyzzz have yet to hit theirs.
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Can Zombo be put on the PUP? If so, he should, he needs to let that shoulder heal completely.
He can't be put on the PUP list since he's participated in practices/games
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My guess as to the Packers 53-man roster .... OK, I can only get it down to 55!
I expect some guys to be "stashed" on IR with nagging injuries who TT & MM don't want to lose off the practice squad.
Davon House is a guy that's possible, but if he heals up and flashes in p-game 3 & 4, it's possible they release Bush because they really like Gordy. If they think Gordy can make it to the practice squad, they'll send him there.

OFFENSE (28)
QB (3): Rodgers, Flynn, Harrell
RB (4): Grant, Starks, Green
FB (2): Kuhn, QJ
TE (4): Finley, DJ Williams, Quarless, Taylor
WR (6): Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, West
OL (9): Clifton, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Bulaga, Sherrod, Newhouse, McDonald, Dietrich-Smith

I am predicting Crabtree is the toughest, most surprising cut.
Also, I am predicting that Chastin West is tried to be waived to our practice squad, but there's no way he'd make it as numerous teams would snatch a claim on him. So we keep him, but he's inactive unless we get some injuries at WR. We'd love him as KR.

DEFENSE & SPECIAL TEAMS (27)
DL (6): Pickett, BJ Raji, Neal, CJ Wilson, Green, Wynn
ILB (4): AJ Hawk, Bishop, DJ Smith, Elijah Joseph (over Francois, who I thought was bad on Sat, noticed 2 missed assignments)
OLB (4): Matthews, Walden, Jones, Lattimore
CB (6): Williams, Woodson, Shields, House, Bush, Gordy
S (4): Collins, Burnett, Peprah, Levine

K: Crosby
P: Masthay
LS: Goode
(PR/KR: Cobb)

IR: Zombo
Looks good to me J-Mike. With Zombo getting injured I wonder how OLB will play out. Lattimore and So' Oto need to step it up, which ever one can stand out a bit could probably make the team.

I think MD Jennings and Brandian Ross are locks to make the PS, but I don't think either will be able to crack the actual 53 man roster.

Also I hope they can somehow hide Gurley on the PS, but I think the chances are slim. You can't teach 6'4 with a amazing wing span lol.

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My guess as to the Packers 53-man roster .... OK, I can only get it down to 55!
I expect some guys to be "stashed" on IR with nagging injuries who TT & MM don't want to lose off the practice squad.
Davon House is a guy that's possible, but if he heals up and flashes in p-game 3 & 4, it's possible they release Bush because they really like Gordy. If they think Gordy can make it to the practice squad, they'll send him there.

OFFENSE (28)
QB (3): Rodgers, Flynn, Harrell
RB (4): Grant, Starks, Green
FB (2): Kuhn, QJ
TE (4): Finley, DJ Williams, Quarless, Taylor
WR (6): Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, West
OL (9): Clifton, Lang, Wells, Sitton, Bulaga, Sherrod, Newhouse, McDonald, Dietrich-Smith

I am predicting Crabtree is the toughest, most surprising cut.
Also, I am predicting that Chastin West is tried to be waived to our practice squad, but there's no way he'd make it as numerous teams would snatch a claim on him. So we keep him, but he's inactive unless we get some injuries at WR. We'd love him as KR.

DEFENSE & SPECIAL TEAMS (27)
DL (6): Pickett, BJ Raji, Neal, CJ Wilson, Green, Wynn
ILB (4): AJ Hawk, Bishop, DJ Smith, Elijah Joseph (over Francois, who I thought was bad on Sat, noticed 2 missed assignments)
OLB (4): Matthews, Walden, Jones, Lattimore
CB (6): Williams, Woodson, Shields, House, Bush, Gordy
S (4): Collins, Burnett, Peprah, Levine

K: Crosby
P: Masthay
LS: Goode
(PR/KR: Cobb)

IR: Zombo
I like it, and would probably cut off Levine or Bush and Quinn Johnson if I had to get us to 53, and maybe replace Lattimore with So'oto. It'd be nice to have a little more security at LB and S, but such is life.
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Did anyone else see this crap on PFT.com?


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When healthy, Ryan Grant has been the Packers’ starting running back since 2007. But after a 2010 season in which he was lost for the season in Week 1, Grant is now in danger of not even making the team.

Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel reports that Dimitri Nance, whom the Packers picked up to replace Grant last season, may push Grant out of a job as the final running back on the Packers’ 53-man roster.

According to Silverstein, running backs James Starks, Alex Green and John Kuhn are locks to survive the final cuts on September 3, but Grant is not.

It’s hard to envision Grant being out of a job after topping 1,200 yards in both 2008 and 2009. But the Packers showed in 2010 that they could win without him, and when you consider that Grant’s base salary is $3.5 million while Nance’s salary is $525,000, not to mention the fact that Grant is six years older than Nance, it becomes easier to see how the Packers could decide to let Grant go.

And so the running back who entered last season as the Packers’ starter may have some work to do in the final two preseason games just to show that he belongs on the team at all.
So we are going to cut a guy we just payed a 2 million dollar bonus? For Dimitri Nance who has showed nothing in preseason at all. Maybe its because he did so well last year..... 36 Rushes for 95 yards a 2.6 avg. There is no way in hell this happens.
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I'd be pissed, and shocked, if we cut Grant.
He's always been productive, a great fit for this offense.
Which is why Teddy brought him here.
He's one of Ted's gems.
He has to stay.
He appears healthy.
Starks isn't, and Starks has never been healthy for a full season.
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So we are going to cut a guy we just payed a 2 million dollar bonus? For Dimitri Nance who has showed nothing in preseason at all. Maybe its because he did so well last year..... 36 Rushes for 95 yards a 2.6 avg. There is no way in hell this happens.
Well, I wouldn't blame PFT since they were just going with what Silverstein wrote. I agree it's ridiculous though. Grant is still the team's number one back, even if Starks is going to start taking some carries. I have no idea why you would release him to keep a guy like Nance. I don't think cutting Nance is a big deal at all.
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There is also a report now that Grant took a pay cut earlier this month.

Says his salary cup number has been trimmed from $5.65 million to roughly $3.87 million
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