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Old 03-01-2008, 12:52 PM    (permalink
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The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

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I would give 2nd and David for almost anybody just to get him off my team....The addition of Shockey would be great. Brees loves his TE's he would finaly have one that could almost do what Gates did for him in SD
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A first for shockey? Well I understand it, when you have no interest in trading a guy you can drive the price up, if people know you plan on getting rid of him or cutting him, you dont hold as much weight in negotiations...But if I were NO id think about a 2nd and a player, they really dont have a TE and someone as explosive as Shockey with Brees would be huge for what Payton likes to do. Unless if feels he would be better off drafting a tight end on his own in the 2nd.
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Maybe the Saints would trade #10 for Shockey and #31.

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Lawlz. You wish.
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I'll give you a 3rd and a 5th.

He's been injured a LOT.
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Reese is pushing for AT LEAST a second.
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How much higher do you do you guys believe his value is then Vilma, all things considered
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of course the Giants are gonna ask for alot. They don't want to trade him but if they're blown away, they'll do it. Keeping Shockey and Boss gives us more versatiiaty for sets and stuff. He's not going anywhere anyway
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How much higher do you do you guys believe his value is then Vilma, all things considered
Considering Vilma has a degenerative knee problem (which is damn big for a linebacker) and Shockey is probably a top 3 blocking Tight End (some of you might not believe it but watch some film on Shockey and his blocking and tell me hes not good, then I can consider you a football dimwit) in the league and a top 8 pass catching tight end Id say hes worth more then Vilma
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Chris Mortensen just reported on ESPN that the Saints are making a HARD second offer for Jeremy Shockey and the Giants are very receptive. He said the trade could go down tomorrow. Its probably going to be the Saints 2nd round pick plus a pick in '09 plus a player.
Take that for what it's worth...
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god no ! i hope this is just a rumor .... if it happens i dont watch any games and cancel my london tickets

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i love shockey, but that's a lot. it of course depends on the player and 09 pick, but a high 2nd plus those 2, that's a damn good offer... it'll be interesting to see what the Giants do(although I still highly doubt we move him)
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I still doubt this happens....

However I doubted the likelihood of the trade because Shockey's value due to his injury...If he is going to get us a 2nd, a player, and a 2009 pick...you may have to think about it considering what Jenkins, Rogers, Williams all were valued at. Shockey's value in that trade would be dominant over theirs.
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yeah i love shockey and all, but a 2nd rounder, a future pick, and a player is really not worth it. I mean, thats alot. If the giants pull off that trade, then they got VERY good value for him. I think just the saints high 2nd roudner should be enough...thats where his value should be around.
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Like I've been saying all along, Loomis is an assclown when it comes to being a GM. He's going to kill any chance we have at building a team for the long term by sacrificing draft picks for a guy whose injured just as much as Cam Cleeland was.

I doubt this thought has ever crept into Loomis' mind but how about we ******* draft a TE! I know why, it makes too much sense.
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Almost all the TE in the draft will be available when we get back on the clock with our 2nd pick..Just draft one loomis. I am so tired of just picking up injured players.. I mean it worked with Brees but who knows if Vilma will even come back 100%. I like Shockey but I dont like to give up a 2nd for him..
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I see no need in trading him. I hope we don't do this.
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I dont really want Shockey well at least not at that price...Brees would love him he does need a good TE. Wish we would have picked up Olsen instead of Meachem...
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The Giants have declined to talk with teams inquiring about Jeremy Shockey.
The Saints reached out to the Giants on free agency eve, but New York made it clear Shockey isn't on the block. Even if the teams agreed to compensation, Shockey couldn't pass a physical because of his broken leg.

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Plus we need depth at the TE spot. If we trade Shockey, and Boss got hurt, our starting TE would be Mathews, lol. I like the depth we have right now.
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Its better that you keep him....For both teams..
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True, plus things could change now. We won a superbowl without him, so now he has to respect everyone on offense. If he tries to say anything the offense and Eli can make it clear that they won without him and put him in his place. So who knows, the dynamic can change as well. It's only human to be humbled when you realize the team won without you being in the lineup.
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True, plus things could change now. We won a superbowl without him, so now he has to respect everyone on offense. If he tries to say anything the offense and Eli can make it clear that they won without him and put him in his place. So who knows, the dynamic can change as well. It's only human to be humbled when you realize the team won without you being in the lineup.
Plus if Eli and Shockey get on the same page....the league better watch out.
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