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Old 02-22-2008, 06:32 AM    (permalink
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The tapes are proof enough. If a murder weapon is found and it belongs to a certain person, odds are very likely that person committed the murder. This is the same situation.
Key word "likely." Posession does not prove that he was the one to use it. Perhaps the weapon was stolen, or borrowed. The owner is of course the first place you look, but it doesn't prove anything.
The situation as of right now shows that he cannot prove the tapes were actually used by the patriots. Of course this could change somehow, but as of right now that is the situation.
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Old 02-22-2008, 07:03 AM    (permalink
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The NFL will turn them over to Spector. They have no choice.
Sure they do. They are a private company and can do whatever they want within their disciplinary system.

Furthermore, if the tapes do exist, and are in fact stolen, either from the Rams or Patriots, it would not be admissible evidence in a court of law.

Hopefully this can clear up soon so that Spector can get back to his [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory]Magic Bullet Theory[/b] and pandering to Comcast's beck and call.

Arlen Spector has zero credibility. Even the yahoo Patriot haters should be able to see through him.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:22 AM    (permalink
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Sure they do. They are a private company and can do whatever they want within their disciplinary system.

Furthermore, if the tapes do exist, and are in fact stolen, either from the Rams or Patriots, it would not be admissible evidence in a court of law.

Hopefully this can clear up soon so that Spector can get back to his [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory]Magic Bullet Theory[/b] and pandering to Comcast's beck and call.

Arlen Spector has zero credibility. Even the yahoo Patriot haters should be able to see through him.
It is ridiculous they are doing it. It would not be going to a court. It would be a senate investigation that will end up in absolutely no criminal charges.

I will tell you exactly how it will go if Specter gets completely involved.

Walsh will show Goodell the tapes and go to the media with the story. Goodell will severely punish the Patriots. Probably everything short of stripping titles. BB will retire so he isn't banned, but he will in effect be banned from the league. Specter will launch a senate investigation. Goodell will demand the Patriots hand over the tapes. The Patriots will hand over the tapes so they don't face even more punishment from the NFL. Specter will demand the tapes from Goodell. Goodell will give him the tapes. The Senate investigation will come to the conclusion that Goodell did enough to punish them. The whole thing will be over in two years.

The tape will get to Specter AND they will be admissable, because either the Patriots or the NFL will hand them over. It will be a moot point, because the senate won't punish them anyway.
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I'm not starting a new thread for this, but here's more allegations. Apparently a former Pats player is talking to somebody.

New Claim of Taping Emerges Against Patriots

New York Times
By JOHN BRANCH and GREG BISHOP
Published: February 22, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/sp...=1&oref=slogin

"INDIANAPOLIS — The Patriots’ pattern of illicitly videotaping the signals of opposing N.F.L. coaches began in Coach Bill Belichick’s first preseason with the team in 2000, a former Patriots player said. The information was put to use in that year’s regular-season opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Belichick’s debut as New England’s coach..."

"...Questions linger about how much of an advantage the Patriots may have had if they intercepted defensive signals. Under Belichick, the Patriots have often run a no-huddle offense, which forces opponents to quickly call a defensive play. N.F.L. rules allow quarterbacks to hear instructions from coaches — through a headset and into a speaker in the quarterback’s helmet — until there are 15 seconds left on a play clock. When the defensive play call is deciphered, the Patriots could call a play to counteract. The Patriots lost the 2000 opener against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, when videotape of signals was used in preparation, according to the former Patriots player, who was among several former players interviewed by the N.F.L but said he did not want to speak publicly because the investigation is continuing..."

"In the hallway at the convention center here, Mike Martz wanted to talk about his new job as San Francisco’s offensive coordinator. Instead, reporters peppered him with questions about the Patriots. Martz was the coach of the Rams when the teams met in the Super Bowl six years ago.

He took exception to the theory that the Patriots could not have gleaned much information from taping the walkthrough. He said indeed they could, but added that was not the point.

" “For somebody to say that, it’s kind of disgusting,” Martz said. “The whole point is if they really cheated. To say he took some steroids and it did help or it didn’t help, that’s never the point. The point is, to all these high school coaches and high school kids and college kids, that if they did cheat, that’s the point.” "
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Key word "likely." Posession does not prove that he was the one to use it. Perhaps the weapon was stolen, or borrowed. The owner is of course the first place you look, but it doesn't prove anything.
The situation as of right now shows that he cannot prove the tapes were actually used by the patriots. Of course this could change somehow, but as of right now that is the situation.
In almost every case, the owner of the gun will be convicted, unless he has an alibi. It won't fly for him to say it got stolen, but he never reported it.

Those tapes are a smoking gun. Let's say that Walsh did tape without being told to. Now, don't you think he would take it to BB? Do you honestly think ANY NFL coach would turn down the opportunity to see film of a closed practice? If the tapes exist(and it seems pretty certain they do) BB saw those tapes. There is no doubt in my mind. There would be no reason for Walsh to sneak in and tape it if he wasn't going to give it to BB.
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:27 AM    (permalink
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That article is purely speculation and very bad journalism. I can't believe someone would actually print that. The Colts run a no huddle too... THEY MUST BE CHEATING.

And yeah, we know he's been doing it since 2000, and he did it with the Browns too.
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That article is purely speculation and very bad journalism. I can't believe someone would actually print that. The Colts run a no huddle too... THEY MUST BE CHEATING.

And yeah, we know he's been doing it since 2000, and he did it with the Browns too.
Dude, the only part that really had any bearing on what we were talking about was the former player. That part wasn't speculation.
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In almost every case, the owner of the gun will be convicted, unless he has an alibi. It won't fly for him to say it got stolen, but he never reported it.

Those tapes are a smoking gun. Let's say that Walsh did tape without being told to. Now, don't you think he would take it to BB? Do you honestly think ANY NFL coach would turn down the opportunity to see film of a closed practice? If the tapes exist(and it seems pretty certain they do) BB saw those tapes. There is no doubt in my mind. There would be no reason for Walsh to sneak in and tape it if he wasn't going to give it to BB.
Dude, what are you talking about? Posession of a gun does not automatically mean that person will be convicted. It more than likely will be enough evidence to bring charges against them (they will be CHARGED not necessarily convicted). And I will say it again, the tapes in and of themselves are not proof that the patriots filmed the practice prior to the superbowl in 2001. All that it proves is that Walsh actually taped the walkthrough (he wouldn't go through this without having actually done it, I think we can all agree to that). Now, if he has some sort of other evidence that links BB or another coach to either a) having ordered the tapes, or b) having used the tapes, then the story is different. Until that evidence arises, everything is based on pure speculation.
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That article is purely speculation and very bad journalism. I can't believe someone would actually print that. The Colts run a no huddle too... THEY MUST BE CHEATING.

And yeah, we know he's been doing it since 2000, and he did it with the Browns too.
I like how all this evidence and claims keep popping up, and your so defensive with your little patriots you cloud your judgement.


But I guess EVERYONE hates the pats, and we know you love using that excuse so lets keep it going...all the senators hate the pats, the people who keep talking hate the pats, walsh hates the pats, anyone who comes out with an article not soaking up the praises hates the pats, get off your high horse...


When everyone was sucking up to the pats all year long on tv and magazines everything was fine, now that its some negative light shown towards your team, it CANT be true, because your a fan and you said so...and there is no way your team could do all these things, everyone is just hating on he pats


you look worse and worse, I cant wait for you to go into hiding once another penalty comes towards the pats.
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