Marion Barber and undisclosed draft pick(s) to Miami for #1 - Page 4

02-26-2008, 07:11 PM

I've been quite on this because it's a long shot for this to happen but if it does happen the it will take somwhere in the ballpark of both 1sts, Barber and a 3rd which was the orginal rumor.

There's alot of Cowboys fans that are flat out saying Jerry Jones will never trade Barber and both 1sts. Well on the other side, Parcells will never trade without getting fair value and he knows not getting both 1sts will be unfair value. But Cowboys fans fail to realize that.

I think it's a longshot to happen but it's definately a possibility and I many Cowboy fans seem to discount the possibility at all. I just hope you guys will come back and eat your crow on the off chance this does happen.

duckseason · 02-26-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Burns336

"The money that goes up there, plus the terms of draft-pick consideration, I don't think we're going there," Jones said. "I don't want to get into a real strategy, as far as going forward here the next few weeks, but I don't see any guy today making some big trade for the first pick up there - I guess that's what we're all alluding too. ... There's been absolutely not one breath of discussion with anybody about going up there to get the 1 or 2 or 3 pick."
-Jerry Jones per DMN blog

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen it. If Jerry really meant that, then I am a happy man right now. I don't intend to come off as though I don't like the guy or as if he doesn't know what he's doing, but that would change if he made the move to #1 for McFadden.

D-Unit · 02-26-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeyjr09

I've been quite on this because it's a long shot for this to happen but if it does happen the it will take somwhere in the ballpark of both 1sts, Barber and a 3rd which was the orginal rumor.

There's alot of Cowboys fans that are flat out saying Jerry Jones will never trade Barber and both 1sts. Well on the other side, Parcells will never trade without getting fair value and he knows not getting both 1sts will be unfair value. But Cowboys fans fail to realize that.

I think it's a longshot to happen but it's definately a possibility and I many Cowboy fans seem to discount the possibility at all. I just hope you guys will come back and eat your crow on the off chance this does happen.

There will be no crow to eat. Have you seen 1 Cowboy fan here get excited about a trade of Barber and 2 firsts for McFadden? Get off your high horse.

02-26-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

There will be no crow to eat. Have you seen 1 Cowboy fan here get excited about a trade of Barber and 2 firsts for McFadden? Get off your high horse.

Not getting excited about a trade and completely discounting it alltogether are to completely different things.

Like I said, I don't think this will happen but Cowboys fans are saying that there's not chance in hell it includes both 1sts and Barber. But the orginial rumor said it was both 1sts and Barber. Not to mention, this rumor has been running wild for weeks. And you know the old saying, where theres smoke, theres fire.

I just think it's ignorant to discount the trade allthogether the way cowboy fans are doing. I understand if you don't like the trade but y'all are running around here just throwing stuff out there like your Jerry Jones himself.

bigbluedefense · 02-26-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Burns336

why would anyone ever give up 2 first's, a second, and a starting RB for any player? and why would you move up to #1 when the same player will be there at #3 for sure and possibly 4, 5, or 6

1. theres no guarantee that he's there past 3
2. Miami may be an easier trade partner than St. Louis, who has shown no desire thus far to trade back
3. it has happened before. Eli Manning, Michael Vick as examples. Sometimes teams fall in love with one guy and give up the farm for him.

is it the smart move? i think most of us agree that its not. that doesn't mean that it has no chance of happening.

i will believe it when i see it, but i won't shun it completely either.

duckseason · 02-26-2008, 07:22 PM

I think the thread title is a bit misleading. My heart rate jumped as soon as I saw it. Maybe something including the word "rumor" or "possibly" would be a bit more accurate.

D-Unit · 02-26-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by duckseason

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen it. If Jerry really meant that, then I am a happy man right now. I don't intend to come off as though I don't like the guy or as if he doesn't know what he's doing, but that would change if he made the move to #1 for McFadden.

This is also what Jerry said as recently as yesterday in the same article.

" On moving up to the top of the draft to possibly take McFadden

I don't want to get into a real strategy, as far as going forward here the next few weeks, but I don't see any guy today where we'd make some big trade for the first pick up there. I guess that's what we're all alluding to. There's absolutely not been one breath of discussion with anybody about going up there to get the one or two or three pick. "

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" On adding a running back

Without Julius Jones signed, it's obvious we need to look at running back. How we get there might surprise you. It can be, but it's not necessarily, drafting one. "

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.3147d96.html

duckseason · 02-26-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeyjr09

Not getting excited about a trade and completely discounting it alltogether are to completely different things.

Like I said, I don't think this will happen but Cowboys fans are saying that there's not chance in hell it includes both 1sts and Barber. But the orginial rumor said it was both 1sts and Barber. Not to mention, this rumor has been running wild for weeks. And you know the old saying, where theres smoke, theres fire.

I just think it's ignorant to discount the trade allthogether the way cowboy fans are doing. I understand if you don't like the trade but y'all are running around here just throwing stuff out there like your Jerry Jones himself.

You might want to read through the thread again with a bit more attention to detail because there are many of us who are aware that a trade like this is a very real possibility and understand what it takes to acquire the #1 overall pick form guy as savvy as Bill Parcells.

D-Unit · 02-26-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeyjr09

Not getting excited about a trade and completely discounting it alltogether are to completely different things.

Like I said, I don't think this will happen but Cowboys fans are saying that there's not chance in hell it includes both 1sts and Barber. But the orginial rumor said it was both 1sts and Barber. Not to mention, this rumor has been running wild for weeks. And you know the old saying, where theres smoke, theres fire.

I just think it's ignorant to discount the trade allthogether the way cowboy fans are doing. I understand if you don't like the trade but y'all are running around here just throwing stuff out there like your Jerry Jones himself.

I know I've said it would be stupid, but I don't remembers saying it won't happen. Which Cowboy fan(s) are you referring to because obviously we aren't all of the same voice or opinion.

I think the bottom line of what you're hoping is that you hope Cowboys fans eat crow because you don't like the Cowboys or something. It has nothing to do about the rumor.

duckseason · 02-26-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

This is also what Jerry said as recently as yesterday in the same article.

" On adding a running back

Without Julius Jones signed, it's obvious we need to look at running back. How we get there might surprise you. It can be, but it's not necessarily, drafting one. "

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.3147d96.html

Nice. Thanks for that. I haven't been keeping up with all this like I should. Man my fear of this happening is so great that any little rumor of it actually becoming a reality causes me to overreact in a way that really isn't fair to Jerry. We should all just sit back and see how things develop before we rush to judgment.

bigbluedefense · 02-26-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

This is also what Jerry said as recently as yesterday in the same article.

" On moving up to the top of the draft to possibly take McFadden

I don't want to get into a real strategy, as far as going forward here the next few weeks, but I don't see any guy today where we'd make some big trade for the first pick up there. I guess that's what we're all alluding to. There's absolutely not been one breath of discussion with anybody about going up there to get the one or two or three pick. "

------------------

" On adding a running back

Without Julius Jones signed, it's obvious we need to look at running back. How we get there might surprise you. It can be, but it's not necessarily, drafting one. "

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.3147d96.html

Speaking of which, how much does all this RB buzz and depth in the draft suck for Michael Turner?

He just saw his FA value take a big hit.

nfrillman · 02-26-2008, 08:01 PM

I am not a fan of this move from the Cowboys' perspective, but I hope it happens because then the Rams would have their pick of anyone they want and need. IE- Chris Long

I just don't really like trading proven commodities for the unproven. These are just off the top of my head, but that would be kind of like the Chiefs trading Dwayne Bowe to get the top WR this year, the Browns trading Joe Thomas so they can take Jake Long, or from the viewpoint of my team....the Rams trading Carriker so they can draft another DT. I would have a hard time accepting the Rams trading a young Pro-Bowler for a rookie. With that being said, go ahead and do it Cowboys, because I want the Rams to have their choice of Chris Long, Jake Long, and Glenn Dorsey (least likely).

Splat · 02-26-2008, 08:02 PM

Don't you just love this time of year so many rumors that will never come true?:)

Bills2083 · 02-26-2008, 08:03 PM

They shouldnt trade that much for DMac.

crazyisme · 02-26-2008, 08:18 PM

i would love to see this happen just because it would be the dumbest thing that Dallas could do, haha

619 · 02-26-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Splat420

Don't you just love this time of year so many rumors that will never come true?:)

eh this one very well could actually go down by draft day ..

Flyboy · 02-26-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by duckseason

I think the thread title is a bit misleading. My heart rate jumped as soon as I saw it. Maybe something including the word "rumor" or "possibly" would be a bit more accurate.

I concur. Or at least a question mark at the end.

Jughead10 · 02-26-2008, 08:46 PM

I think what JoeyJr is trying to say is that is this trade were to go through, it may or may not, the undisclosed draft picks will definitely be both firsts. D-Unit said before that the undisclosed draft picks could very well not be both firsts, however that is far fetched. If this trade were to get done it would be Barber, both firsts, and maybe another pick and or player. Thats just the cost of moving up that much.

If this deal is to happen it will either be a fair deal for both sides, or Parcells/Ireland will be pulling one over on Jones. The chances of Jones pulling one over on those two are the same as me having sex with Jessica Alba this weekend.

Jughead10 · 02-26-2008, 08:50 PM

Also if Jones needs to be a homer and feels RB is a big need, he is still so much better off taking Felix Jones with one of the first round picks to compliment Barber, while still having another pick to use on defense or wherever else he feels it should address.

bearsfan_51 · 02-26-2008, 08:52 PM

I'm not in favor of the move for the Cowboys, but it's not as if McFadden is some scrub. Saying that Jones would possibly trade up for him because he's a homer ignores the fact that he's likely a top 5 pick regardless, and one of the better runningback prospects in the last decade.

Staubach12 · 02-26-2008, 08:54 PM

I hate this. Barber is incredible, DMAC is unknown. Ugh, don't do it!

duckseason · 02-26-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I'm not in favor of the move for the Cowboys, but it's not as if McFadden is some scrub. Saying that Jones would possibly trade up for him because he's a homer ignores the fact that he's likely a top 5 pick regardless, and one of the better runningback prospects in the last decade.

There's also the legitimate opinion that he is one of the more overrated running back prospects of the last decade, too. I think the narrow-minded irrationality involved in making a move like this is what would point toward Jones' homerism more so than any ignorance of McFadden's potential draft status or perceived value.

LonghornsLegend · 02-26-2008, 09:09 PM

Im still sticking with my original assumption that Barber is not even the trading piece, its Carpenter, Spears, Ferguson, any of the combination of probably 2, and more then likely a future pick so we dont lose as many picks this year.

Number 10 · 02-26-2008, 09:09 PM

I would love for this deal to happen.

Jughead10 · 02-26-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Im still sticking with my original assumption that Barber is not even the trading piece, its Carpenter, Spears, Ferguson, any of the combination of probably 2, and more then likely a future pick so we dont lose as many picks this year.

Very doubtful a combination of those two and the two first rounders could land you the #1 overall pick.