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Lose Vilma, add Jenkins. Lots of dealing with NFC South teams.
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Dammit, the Jets were supposed to give us a 2nd for Big Baby.
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Like I said in the FA thread, the Panthers have got some work to do on their defensive line. It went from a strength to a weakness pretty fast in the past two years.
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Dammit, the Jets were supposed to give us a 2nd for Big Baby.
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Jenkins, 3-4 NT? That's interesting. At his peak I think he could have been a good one (although somewhat miscast due to his ability to get to the QB). Now? I'm not too sure. He has the bulk and has shown the ability to use leverage well in the past. But I haven't liked him for about 3 or 4 years now. Can he get back to form? Can he play NT in the 3-4? We'll see I guess.
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Mangini seems to like plugging more disruptive guys at nose tackle rather than your average gap clogger, so maybe this will work out. The cost is fairly low and Jenkins was at one point one of the better defensive tackles in the NFL, so I guess it's a good move.
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I wanted Dallas to go after him last off season, he's going to be a good NT if he can stay healthy and more importantly free up david harris...Of course I think the price is steep, but a solid NT is key to running a 3-4 properly, we havent and still dont have someone who can clog the middle like jenkins, if he's healthy I like the deal on both ends.
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If he can get back to health, this will be a great move for their defense. If not, it won't look much different.
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Schefter, per the NFLN news ticker, says the Jets signed Jenkins to a 5-year, $35M deal with $20M guaranteed.

Wow, they must have some confidence in Jenkins to give him 20M guaranteed. Hopefully they don't live to regret that like the Dolphins with Joey Porter last year.

I like the addition of Jenkins though, I can't wait to see how he does with the Jets. I'm sure he felt like things were continually slipping downwards in Carolina, but a change of scenery to a potential playoff team may be refreshing.
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I think the value of this deal is fine. The Panthers weren't going to get that 2nd they sought, at least, not an early 2nd ... an early 3rd is close enough. Add in a 5th, and in this draft, that's nice.

Panthers resigned Damione Lewis as contingency. Along with Maake, that's your DT starters for now. They could make a move for someone. It also wouldn't be inconceivable to see them make a move for a DT. The extra picks certainly afford them a lot of flexibility in the draft.

If I'm a Jets fan, I'm not happy. Was Vilma's injury concerns enough to dissuade teams from giving a pick this year? Ouch. Furthermore, Kris? Look, I can buy the fit somewhat. Is this a team winning soon? I mean, at his size and age, deterioration potentially can occur fast. Of course, he could be the next Ted Washington, but that's the exception, not the rule. And stripping a 3rd/5th, early 3rd and 5th, from your deck this year?

My only guess is that the Jets looked at their board and didn't like what they saw in the draft for DL, which I can buy. But still ... it's not as if DL was the only position of need for this team.
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Why should the Jets accept a lesser pick this year, albeit in a great Draft, when they can reap the benefits of Vilma trying to recover quickly (it's not a torn ligament or Achilles injury) and have a great contract year in an ideal defense? It's good thinking if anything, especially depending on how within reach the escalators to a higher pick are.
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$20 mill is a lot of cash, lets just hope that he stays motivated.


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Why should the Jets accept a lesser pick this year, albeit in a great Draft, when they can reap the benefits of Vilma trying to recover quickly (it's not a torn ligament or Achilles injury) and have a great contract year in an ideal defense? It's good thinking if anything, especially depending on how within reach the escalators to a higher pick are.
that is the thinking that you have to take in the Vilma trade. It helps to cover the uncertainty area. Many are worried about his ability to recover at this point, but to help mitigate the potential loss they gave themselves the opprortunity to move up if he performs as he is certainly capable if healthy. I like the idea, just as i said before, it hurts not seeing anything to show for it this up coming year.
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Why should the Jets accept a lesser pick this year, albeit in a great Draft, when they can reap the benefits of Vilma trying to recover quickly (it's not a torn ligament or Achilles injury) and have a great contract year in an ideal defense? It's good thinking if anything, especially depending on how within reach the escalators to a higher pick are.
Largely because this year was good in the middle rounds and getting value now would be more important than waiting next year, as this is largely a make or break year for Kellen Clemens.

Btw, I wouldn't be so quick to call Vilma an ideal fit with the Saints. I'll be curious where they line him up at.

Now, as I noted last night, it's also very possible they didn't get said offer. But forking over a 3/5 for Jenkins seems to counteract the philosophy behind a Vilma deal, IMO.
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I figured the Jets would of coughed up a 2nd and a 4th. Jenkins styill has plenty of gas in the tank. He's really fun to watch when healthy.
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Btw, anyone else notice this is the second big trade between the Jet and the Panthers in less than a year? During the 07 Draft, the Jets traded up in the 1st round to get Darrelle Revis by trading with Carolina.
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If Pouha develops nicely we could have 2 great NTs. One more of a pass rusher (Jenkins) and the other run stopping guy in the middle (Pouha). That'd be real nice. If we can't trade away Robertson, maybe he could work out at DE and passing downs.
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Heres the real contract numbers for Kris Jenkins. Its a lot better then what was reported, he is making 6 mil a year, and is paid less then Tommy Kelly and Jenkins is a better player.

The Daily News has obtained a breakdown of Kris Jenkins' new contract with the Jets. Let's just say it's dramatically different than the five-year, $35 million deal (including $20 million guaranteed) that is being reported, courtesy of his agent.

The highlights of the ACTUAL contract:

? It's five years, $30.25 million.

? He's due to make $18 million over the first three years, the best gauge of actual value.

? Only $9.5 million is guaranteed, which is his total 2008 compensation ($4.5 million signing bonus, $750,000 base salary, $3.5 million roster bonus and $750,000 in workout/weight bonuses).

? His 2008 cap number is $5.9 million.

? In each year, there is a $500,000 workout bonus and a $250,000 weight clause. He will be weighed 10 times per season and he receives $25,000 if he makes his prescribed weight.

Clearly, the Jets are concerned about Jenkins' weight and conditioning, issues that dogged him in recent years with the Panthers. He was listed in the Panthers' 2007 media guide at 349 pounds, but as reported today by the Daily News, he weighed more than 390 pounds at the end of the season.
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That makes much more sense, even if teams are handing out $20M guaranteed like it's going out of style.
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Jets are spending HUGE this offseason. Just signed Pace to a big contract too. I would make a thread but I cant..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3275059
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