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The New York Jets and Cincinnati Bengals have agreed to terms on a trade that would send defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Bengals in exchange for Cincinnati's fourth- and fifth-round picks (Nos. 114 and 151) in the upcoming draft, according to league sources.

Completion of the trade is contingent upon Robertson agreeing to a new contract -- he had two years remaining on his rookie deal with New York -- and passing a physical, though neither is expected to hold up the deal, which could be finalized as early as Monday.
The only thing that could screw this up now is if Robertson doesn't agree to a new contract, but I'm sure he'd do so to get out of being a back-up. Hopefully anyway. Thank god if it goes through.
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Well, some could argue Robertson for a 4th and 5th is better then Rogers for a 3rd and 5th, either way you get a proven guy to be a force in the middle, and keep a higher pick...They did need the help, Im just not sure what they will be getting from Robertson, really surprised the Broncos didnt grab any of these DT's being traded, they usually dont shy away from any trades.
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So, why do they need Robertson?
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don't know much about him. good to see we still went out and got some help in the middle though. kind of surprising actually. lets just hope the language in the contract is up to the NFL's standards.
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w00t! Should allow us to get Ellis at the very least.
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This feels like a "We missed, so we'll try again" move, which isn't always a bad thing. Except ... what happens to the talks about them going to a 3-4? Robertson definitely isn't a top 3-4 fit, as the last couple years have shown. Now, if they keep a 4-3, sure, having Robertson inside with Fanene/Peko/Thornton could give them a solid rotation.

This pick could be a big boon ... we'll have to see what happens. Although this does seem to point to an edge guy at 9. That said, they do have Eric Henderson and Rashad Jeanty, along with Robert Geathers at 9. so they do have some flexibility in the first, and like almost every team in the first, may look to deal down to recoup some lost picks.

I still wouldn't be shocked if they considered RB at 9.
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Gee they sure are keen on getting some D-Line help. I hope they get what they are looking for with Robertson.
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So, why do they need Robertson?
We have Domata Peko then 20 washed up dinosaurs at DT. It was a MUST that DT be addressed this offseason for both depth and quality. I've heard the Robertson rumor so this makes sense.

I like the fact that he's young and I know the Jets are dumping him for cash/bad fit.

What's everyone's take on him going to the 4-3? I'm still not sure why they're going after such big DT's, guess that's all that's out there. I like the move.
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This feels like a "We missed, so we'll try again" move, which isn't always a bad thing. Except ... what happens to the talks about them going to a 3-4? Robertson definitely isn't a top 3-4 fit, as the last couple years have shown. Now, if they keep a 4-3, sure, having Robertson inside with Fanene/Peko/Thornton could give them a solid rotation.

This pick could be a big boon ... we'll have to see what happens. Although this does seem to point to an edge guy at 9. That said, they do have Eric Henderson and Rashad Jeanty, along with Robert Geathers at 9. so they do have some flexibility in the first, and like almost every team in the first, may look to deal down to recoup some lost picks.

I still wouldn't be shocked if they considered RB at 9.
Yeah, I'd really like to hope this means it stays 4-3. Part of my b*tch about staying 4-3 was our terrible DT next to Peko, this could help to fix that. We've got run down DE's in Fanene/Rucker that I'm confident in. Perhaps if we managed Odom or Pollack came back DE wouldn't be address in those first three rounds.

I'd really like to see Rivers if this deal goes through (learned my lesson last time). Robertson also at least has 3-4 experience for any 3-4 looks we provide, obviously it hasn't worked out that well so I'd hope we're not a 3-4 base.

You're correct in not being shocked with a RB. Marvin has said it must be addressed and I'm very anti-offense in day one (for the past 3 or 4 years) but a big play RB on this offense would be HUGE!
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We have Domata Peko then 20 washed up dinosaurs at DT. It was a MUST that DT be addressed this offseason for both depth and quality. I've heard the Robertson rumor so this makes sense.

I like the fact that he's young and I know the Jets are dumping him for cash/bad fit.

What's everyone's take on him going to the 4-3? I'm still not sure why they're going after such big DT's, guess that's all that's out there. I like the move.
I thought the big thing about them getting a DT would be to shore up the run defense, but that really isn't what D-Rob is all about. He's more of a penetrating type, but that should at least get pressure on the QB. I don't know. I don't see him being some All-Pro level DT now that he's in this system, but I think he should be solid enough, even if I don't think it'll help in rush defense.
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We MUST add interior pressure, it had to be priority one. Our run D has been ~15th overall the past two seasons, obviously not great but with our offense it was adequate. What was/is killing us is the lack of pressure on the QB in 3rd down situations, they have all day because we have no one to pass rush. I really really like to hear he's a penetrating type. Peko is a good run defender.

Thanks for the info, I don't expect him to be all-pro but we need solid players on the line. The youth helps, it'll be nice to have someone beside Geathers that's worth something.
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Yeah, I'd really like to hope this means it stays 4-3. Part of my b*tch about staying 4-3 was our terrible DT next to Peko, this could help to fix that. We've got run down DE's in Fanene/Rucker that I'm confident in. Perhaps if we managed Odom or Pollack came back DE wouldn't be address in those first three rounds.

I'd really like to see Rivers if this deal goes through (learned my lesson last time). Robertson also at least has 3-4 experience for any 3-4 looks we provide, obviously it hasn't worked out that well so I'd hope we're not a 3-4 base.

You're correct in not being shocked with a RB. Marvin has said it must be addressed and I'm very anti-offense in day one (for the past 3 or 4 years) but a big play RB on this offense would be HUGE!
Here's the thing for me about 4-3 vs. 3-4. I think you are much closer, personnel wise, to being a good 3-4 than you are to a good 4-3. For all the Baby Sapp talk on Dewayne, he didn't show much under Herm. You still have questions on edge rushing.

In a 3-4, you have a NT in Peko. Fanene/Thornton/Rucker are guys that could be solid 3-4 ends. I'd be less worried about Eric Henderson at 3-4 OLB as the run responsibilities aren't as serious, and Jeanty could move out there. Same with Geathers. You have a nice 250-260 pound ILB in Brooks already, and a healthy Thurman gives you a solid 2nd option. If Pollack comes back, then he goes into the 3-4 OLB mix (I'd also consider playing Jeanty at 3-4 ILB. And um ... Dhani can be what he's best suited for at this stage ... leadership in the lockerroom.

The personnel is there for the 3-4. That's probably what Zimmer saw when he signed on, IMO. The personnel grouping isn't a great 4-3 grouping. In the 4-3, you still are a bit unknown with interior pass rushing and you have questions at base DE.
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would robertson be a DE or a NT in a 3-4?
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I agree toon, I was a massive advocate of 3-4 in part to our lack of a DT. I'm still concerned about LB depth.

We've got Odell/Pollack who haven't played for two years, Brooks is still recovering, Henderson has played 3 preseason games at LB and Jeanty is solid but injury prone. We're fine on talent but that won't do you any good if they can't take the field.

There's question about either scheme at this point, I think we could generate a better pass rush in the 3-4 (not saying much really).

Really don't know how Robertson would figure into any 3-4 plans, clearly seems it didn't work out that well in New York or else they wouldn't be trading him. Perhaps they're getting Robertson in order to have a known commodity at a low cost instead of via the draft.

Fanene-Rucker / Robertson / Peko could still be a decent starting point for a 3-4 Dline in my eyes. Geathers - Thurman - Brooks - Jeanty/Henderson as the current LB core void of draft picks. Maybe move Robertson to DE? Either way Peko or him would be a huge 3-4 DE.

The thing that gets me is letting Landon Johnson walk, he won't get a massive contract like Madieu... He's a VERY solid role player, not that injury prone and can play multiple spots. He's an average player but you need guys like him for depth, he always ends up leading us in tackles because he's the LB that doesn't get hurt. If they're letting him walk I'd have to hope it's because we're going to the 3-4.
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I worry that the thinking in Cincinnati is something along the lines of

a) Dewayne has played in the 3-4
b) Dewayne was okay as a 3-4 NT

If I had to play Dewayne in the 3-4, it would be at end, but even there, it isn't a great fit. I mean, I think Fanene could be a better 3-4 fit than Dewayne.

It seems like you are expecting John Thornton to be out? If that's the case, I'd go with Fanene-Peko-Robertson (I think Peko's the best NT option, and I think he could do well there).

In the draft, my guess would still be Harvey there. If it is Harvey, I would go with Harvey/Geathers/Henderson on the outside, and I would slide Jeanty in to compete with Brooks and Thurman. Whatever you get from Pollack would be a bonus. I'd target DT/RB in the 2nd/3rd. If you can trade down in the first to third, that'd be great. Recoup some picks, allowing you to try and build up some DL depth.
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Great job by the Bengals.

Rogers is overweight and doesn't play to his level. Robertsons value dropped being inside a 3-4. He was drafted to be a monster 3-tech and thats exactly what they're going to use him for.


Great move by Cincy.
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Got to hand it to Cinnci... They needed help on the Dline and they have been agressive and went out and greatly imporved there DT position. As people have said before he would not fit in a 3-4 scheme so it looks like they are most lilkely will be going 4-3. I am not a fan of the 4-3 much more of a 3-4 guy but they have some good DT's now they might as well use them.
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So, why do they need Robertson?
Uhm, because our D-line is a sieve.
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This feels like a "We missed, so we'll try again" move, which isn't always a bad thing. Except ... what happens to the talks about them going to a 3-4? Robertson definitely isn't a top 3-4 fit, as the last couple years have shown. Now, if they keep a 4-3, sure, having Robertson inside with Fanene/Peko/Thornton could give them a solid rotation.

This pick could be a big boon ... we'll have to see what happens. Although this does seem to point to an edge guy at 9. That said, they do have Eric Henderson and Rashad Jeanty, along with Robert Geathers at 9. so they do have some flexibility in the first, and like almost every team in the first, may look to deal down to recoup some lost picks.

I still wouldn't be shocked if they considered RB at 9.
me either, I'm anticipating either Harvey, Dorsey, McFadden (even though I think he's going to the Raiders) or Clady with that number nine pick.
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helps to clear some cap room for the Jets, which is very nice. He wasn't the long-term answer here
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So are the Jets switching schemes too?
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