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Old 03-04-2008, 11:37 PM    (permalink
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Jackson was 8-4 last year.
wasnt talking abotu just last year. you have to go career when comparing people like this
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Lol you gotta be kidding me, it's actually a pretty sad arguement since the stats are both bad...

Career stats(Keep in mind Tarvaris has played in 2 less games and started 4 less games than orton)

Completetion percentage
Orton:52% Jackson:58.1%

Yards:
Orton:2,347 Jackson: 2,386

Yards per game:
Orton 130.4 Jackson: 149.1

YPA:
Orton: 5.2 Jackson: 6.4

Pass TD:
Orton:12 Jackson:11

Totals TD(Rushing + Passing)
Orton:12 Jackson:15

Interceptions:
Orton: 15 Jackson: 16

Fumbles:
Orton: 14 Jackson: 9

Total Turnovers(Fumbles + INTS)
Orton: 29 Jackson: 25

QB Rating
Orton: 62.2 Jackson: 69
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Jackson was 8-4 last year.
yea? Orton was 10-4 his rookie year...
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Lol you gotta be kidding me, it's actually a pretty sad arguement since the stats are both bad...

Career stats(Keep in mind Tarvaris has played in 2 less games and started 4 less games than orton)

Completetion percentage
Orton:52% Jackson:58.1%

Yards:
Orton:2,347 Jackson: 2,386

Yards per game:
Orton 130.4 Jackson: 149.1

YPA:
Orton: 5.2 Jackson: 6.4

Pass TD:
Orton:12 Jackson:11

Totals TD(Rushing + Passing)
Orton:12 Jackson:15

Interceptions:
Orton: 15 Jackson: 16

Fumbles:
Orton: 14 Jackson: 9

Total Turnovers(Fumbles + INTS)
Orton: 29 Jackson: 25

QB Rating
Orton: 62.2 Jackson: 69


This is like asking would you rather have your nuts cut off by a dull knife or bitten off by Mike Holmgren.
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yea? Orton was 11-4 his rookie year...


He said Jackson was under .500. Just stating that wasn't the case last year.
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The best QB in this division now is Sidney Rice

2/2 100% 94yds 47 YPA (Robbed of a TD cuz Shank Hoe is slow) 118.7 career rating.
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The best QB in this division now is Sidney Rice

2/2 100% 94yds 47 YPA (Robbed of a TD cuz Shank Hoe is slow) 118.7 career rating.
i can agree with that...sidney rice it is!
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alright, we'll go with rice

side note: if the bears were to run the option and direct snap it to hester, i would go with him, lol
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or bitten off by Mike Holmgren.
You mean, the event that happened to all the other NFC central teams from 92-98
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Old 03-05-2008, 11:54 PM    (permalink
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i recall a televised scrimmage on the very very young nfl network a few years back where mike sherman had to literally be in the huddle with rodgers to help with play calling.....ha, that was a good laugh

thatll always be my impression of rogers until he proves otherwise
I think a solid performance against Dallas last year should be a bigger impression than some stupid scrimmage before his rookie year when he wasnt signed until 5 days into camp...

well, i'm not gonna say that Rodgers is the best in the division because like other people have said, until he starts a game he really doesn't count. I think he'll be fine, all he did in college was the short accurate passing game and that's all he's gonna be asked to do next year. McCarthy made Aaron Brooks a good QB in his system for a couple years for god's sake. You cant put him anywhere near #1 as of now, but a month into the season I can definitely see myself saying otherwise.
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Old 03-06-2008, 01:55 AM    (permalink
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I like how Packers fans always reference the Cowboys game, but not the other total disasters that Rodgers put out there.
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I think his preseason play is what impressed me, not the boys game. They seemed to play a bit softer when he came in.
He looked good and even got time against the first team D's
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Lol you gotta be kidding me, it's actually a pretty sad arguement since the stats are both bad...

Career stats(Keep in mind Tarvaris has played in 2 less games and started 4 less games than orton)

Completetion percentage
Orton:52% Jackson:58.1%

Yards:
Orton:2,347 Jackson: 2,386

Yards per game:
Orton 130.4 Jackson: 149.1

YPA:
Orton: 5.2 Jackson: 6.4

Pass TD:
Orton:12 Jackson:11

Totals TD(Rushing + Passing)
Orton:12 Jackson:15

Interceptions:
Orton: 15 Jackson: 16

Fumbles:
Orton: 14 Jackson: 9

Total Turnovers(Fumbles + INTS)
Orton: 29 Jackson: 25

QB Rating
Orton: 62.2 Jackson: 69
So whose running game was better ;) Running game opens up alot of space for Tjax imo
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What the hell has Aaron Rodgers done?
It's not what has he done. It's the fact that the others have been given thier chance and have done NOTHING. The other 3 QB's suck and that's a fact. Therefore the only one that has a chance to be something is Rodgers. He is also surrounded by the superior team.
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I like how Packers fans always reference the Cowboys game, but not the other total disasters that Rodgers put out there.
Lol. Enlighten us with the 'total disasters' of Aaron Rodgers. This should be comical.
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Lol. Enlighten us with the 'total disasters' of Aaron Rodgers. This should be comical.
@ New England. 4/12 for 32 yards, and 3 sacks.

@ Baltimore 8/15 for 65 yards, 1 interception, and 3 sacks.


Those are the only two other games where Rodgers has really played at all. So out of three games you have a good performance, a bad performance, and a terrible performance.

Does that mean anything? No, and that's the whole point. You can't point to one game without taking the whole thing into perspective, and right now it's a big fat question mark.

To act like there won't be some serious growth issues is totally naive though. At best Rodgers isn't part of the equation, but I don't think it's unfair to currently put him at the bottom, as he's proven nothing.

And I would put the Vikings and Lions supporting offensive cast on par with the Packers.
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It's not what has he done. It's the fact that the others have been given thier chance and have done NOTHING. The other 3 QB's suck and that's a fact. Therefore the only one that has a chance to be something is Rodgers. He is also surrounded by the superior team.
You see, its chance, the others are still on the team right? Aaron Rodgers could turn out to be like Monatana or like Leaf, u never know, thats why u cant count Rodgers in yet
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It's not what has he done. It's the fact that the others have been given thier chance and have done NOTHING. The other 3 QB's suck and that's a fact. Therefore the only one that has a chance to be something is Rodgers. He is also surrounded by the superior team.
Well Kyle Orton won the division, and Rex Grossman made it to the Superbowl, which is more than Brett Favre did in the last 10 years of his career.

But yeah, other than that nothing.
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So whose running game was better ;) Running game opens up alot of space for Tjax imo
It really doesn't matter how much space it opens up if the recievers sturggle to get open and some of them can't catch the ball when they do. ;)
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It's not what has he done. It's the fact that the others have been given thier chance and have done NOTHING. The other 3 QB's suck and that's a fact. Therefore the only one that has a chance to be something is Rodgers. He is also surrounded by the superior team.
The others really haven't been given much of a chance other than Grossman and Kitna. It's an Asinine statement to say that Rodgers is the only one ho has a chance to be something.
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Positive Arguements for top 5
Rodgers- Has the best surronding cast
Jackson- Entering 3rd year (typical breakout point), Has AD
Grossman- Had sucess in 06, 20+ TD's
Orton- Is a winner, and a game manager
Kitna- Most experienced, Good WR's
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Like I said I don't think anyone has done enough to really seperate himself from the others as the 2nd best. But if I had a gun to my head and had to chose one I would have to go with Rex Grossman simply because he has played at a very high level before at times in 2006.
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Not to mention his mighty sex cannon.

It's a stupid argument anyway (no offense). It's like asking who is the prettiest girl at fat camp.
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