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Old 03-20-2008, 09:35 PM    (permalink
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Jamal Lewis has had 3 seasons over 1000 yards after his 2003 season when he had 387 att's and in 2005 he was just 90 yards short of doing it a 4th time. LJ might not have another 1500-1700 yard season in him but I could very well see a few more Jamal Lewis kinda years left in him.
Even if he does put up Jamal Lewis numbers going forward, Jamal Lewis isn't a HOFer, therefore, neither will LJ. And because that's the point of this thread, the LJ arguement can stop for now. People are throwing around players a little too liberally on this HOF thing. Antonio Gates has had some good seasons, yes, but to say he is definitely among the leaders at the TE position right now is ridiculous. The only one in contention I would say is Tony Gonzalez. Ryan Grant has started half, HALF, a season. AJ Hawk? What has he done to be a HOF other than be a First Round pick? A LOT of people have "potential" to be HOF's, but to say a guy that's been in the league for less than 3 years has a chance is a little far fetched I feel, and not even worth conversation (And to make sure people don't think I'm biased, I feel the EXACT same way about Adrian Peterson).
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I was trying to think of more DL who have a chance but none really come to mind, any thoughts...struggling on this
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Larry Johnson is done. Herm rode the wheels off the bus, and LJ's never going to be the same.
Oh give me a freaking break. His injury this year had nothing to do with overuse. His ankle got caught up under A.J. Hawk and he broke his foot. The ankle bent sideways almost. Would a rookie or somebody with less use have had a stronger ankle that could have handled being twisted complete sideways?

People act like Herm is the one who ran Curtis Martin into the ground which is a load of BS. Before Herm ever got to NY Martin had already played 6 years in the league and had carry totals of 368, 316, 274, 369, 367, and 316 before Herm ever got his hands on him.

If the Chiefs' offensive line can become respectable again then LJ will not have to be constantly dodging defenders in the backfield. Plus we now have a good second option with Kolby Smith who can take some carries away from LJ and keep him fresh. I don't see LJ having many more 1,700+ yard seasons but there is no reason to believe he can't have some more 1,400-1,500 yard seasons.
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I would put DeMarcus Ware before I would put Shawne Merriman, but I am also a Cowboys fan..
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out of those two i would say brooks more than barber, but both should at least get their names on the ballot and jump in during a slow year.

speaking of former bucs, how bout john lynch? hes still busy making pro bowls and the occasional bone jarring tackle....i think he might have a real good shot
Lynch missed like half the season because of injury. Him being voted into the pro bowl this year shows what a complete joke the pro bowl has become. Lynch had no business being voted into another pro bowl.
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Larry Johnson started too late he only has about 4-5 years left to put up hall of fame numbers

Edgerrin James should be on there

11607 Rushing Yards
3260 Receiving Yards
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Yeah, he could retire with about 15000 rushing yards, 20000 APY, and 100 TDs...imagine what it would be had he never torn his ACL.
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Champ Baily will probably make it.
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I think Edgerrin James will be hurt because of his years in Arizona. What I mean by that is that those years are revealing that he is not nearly as good as what his stats in Indianapolis would indicate. Throughout his entire career in Indy he wasn't the guy the defense geared up to stop. That makes things a lot easier.
In his defense, he went from one of the best OLs in the NFL to one of the worst. If the Cardinals can build an OL for him, he could probably reach his 03-05 production levels again.
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There's only one running back who ever came back from a 400+ carry season to have anything resembling sucess. He's the exception that proves the rule. It's not LJ.
Give me a break. There is such a small sample to choose from that saying only one came back successfully means jack squat.

What about players who had 360 or 370 carries during the regular season and went on to play 2 or 3 playoff games that put them over 400 carries for the season? Nobody ever talks about them yet there are a good number of runningbacks who fall under that category. I looked it up once but I am too lazy to do it again. Emmitt Smith was one of them though and I believe he had 2 or 3 seasons with 400+ carries counting the playoffs, most of them being early in his career. He also had a couple more seasons in the 380 or 390 range that really were not much of a difference. He was just fine.
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Just some names off the top of my head:

Tony Gonzalez
Ty Law
Michael Strahan
Ladainian Tomlinson
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jonathan Ogden (I believe he just retired but I will still count him as active)
Marvin Harrison
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
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Devin Hester is well on his way to destroying every kr/pr record

but then again only 1 ST player has ever made it into the Hall
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Gayle Sayers made it in part because of his return ability, and the fact that for his era he was an absolute freak of nature.

That's not to say Hester will make the HOF, but the FO seems to have really high hopes for him at receiver down the road.
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champ bailey will 100% make it as will ray lewis obviously. i also think zach thomas will end up there.
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We have now reached the point in the offseason where nothing substantial will happen until the draft. So, to liven the place up a bit, I ask you to name the active players you think will reach the HOF. Off the top of my head in no particular order.

QB
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning


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Steven Jackson....I know he still has a long long ways to go
Ladainian Tomlinson
Larry Johnson....Again he must do a lot, and I worry about him getting too many carries
I would say AP, but he has only played one year and the injury concern is still there for me

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Torry Holt
Isaac Bruce
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Marvin Harrison

There are many others I feel have a decent shot, but there are issues like character (TO's #'s will be too amazing to deny him) and having to continue their success for years to come. These are guys I would put in this group in a rough order of what I think their chances of making it are:
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquon Boldin
Hines Ward......should probably make it because of his overall game, but stat sheets may hurt him
Reggie Wayne
Andre Johnson......an amazing talent, but his career could end up being wasted away with a terrible team if remains in Houston

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Jonathon Ogden
Walter Jones
Larry Allen

Again many others that could make it, like Orlando Pace (must return to a top level without injuries for a few years) and Samuel from Washington. I am probably leaving some guys off this on accident.

DL
Michael Strahan

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Ray Lewis
Brian Urlacher
Shawn Merriman

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Champ Bailey
Ed Reed

There are a lot guys here that have a shot but I am not as confident about. I'm even a little hesitant on Reed.
the bolded guys are the only guys on that list that are actual 100% hall of famers as of now
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the bolded guys are the only guys on that list that are actual 100% hall of famers as of now
Ogden and Jones aren't? I disagree with that.
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your list might be better if you took down a name or two....like Steven Jax....he's a great player and all and i love him...but as of right now he's not even sniffing HOF
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the bolded guys are the only guys on that list that are actual 100% hall of famers as of now
I think you forgot Larry Allen. Anyone with 11 pro bowls, and what 2 SB rings? First Ballot or the HOF is a joke.
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Sorry man, but Larry Allen is shoe in first ballot. Any reasoning on why he wouldn't be?
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I would put DeMarcus Ware before I would put Shawne Merriman, but I am also a Cowboys fan..
To early for both of them.
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Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas will both end up in the HoF by the time it is done.

Taylor most likely a first ballot

Thomas will get in eventually (more tackles then any player in the HoF playing in multiple different defensive systems).
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Tom Brady
Peyton Manning

RB
Steven Jackson.... No!
Ladainian Tomlinson
Larry Johnson Never
WR
Torry Holt - No
Isaac Bruce - NoRandy Moss
Terrell Owens
Marvin Harrison

Chad Johnson - Not even close
Steve Smith - No
Larry Fitzgerald - No
Anquon Boldin - No
Hines Ward......Not even close
Reggie Wayne - No
Andre Johnson...... No

OL
Jonathon Ogden
Walter Jones
Larry Allen

Again many others that could make it, like Orlando Pace (must return to a top level without injuries for a few years) and Samuel from Washington. I am probably leaving some guys off this on accident.

DL
Michael Strahan

LB
Ray Lewis
Brian Urlacher
Shawn Merriman - No
Add.. Derrick Brooks

DB
Champ Bailey - No
Ed Reed - No

There are a lot guys here that have a shot but I am not as confident about. I'm even a little hesitant on Reed.
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^ I have to disagree on your statement about Champ Bailey. He's the best all-around corner in the game, best in coverage and one of the best against the run. Putting him in does not make it "The Hall of Very Good".
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Derrick Brooks will make the hall, he redefined his position, John Lynch will likely make it. I think Steve Hutchinson might have a chance as well. Torry Holt will probably make the Hall, just because of his huge production. Other than that I think the only absoluetely surefire guys right now are:

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Champ Bailey
Marvin Harrisson
Tony Gonzalez
LaDainian Tomlinson
Ray Lewis
Michael Strahan
Walter Jones
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I doubt Holt makes it unless he sticks around and produces as long as Isaac Bruce did. It's hard to make it as a receiver, freakin' Cris Carter is gonna be a 2nd ballot HOFer even, and Art Monk got in after like 10 years of retirement at least. The Hall is stingy about which WRs they take, and they're gonna get even stingier b/c nowadays WRs stats are totally bloated due to rule changes and the development of the passing game in football recently. Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison are probably gonna go, and TO beileve it or not has a real good shot too.

Of other positions I think Jason Taylor and Orlando Pace should go but I'm not sure if they will or not.
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