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Old 03-20-2008, 11:42 PM    (permalink
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this would be nasty. IMO pacman has learned his lesson obviously because of my sig. but when playing hes top 5 corners in the league and top 3 punt return man in the league. What ever team gets him is getting a steal.
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dallas also has a good support system in place with calvin hill

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this would be nasty. IMO pacman has learned his lesson obviously because of my sig. but when playing hes top 5 corners in the league and top 3 punt return man in the league. What ever team gets him is getting a steal.


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I would be so happy if this happened. Bring back Pacman!
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Well worth the risk in my eyes.
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According to RotoTimes sources, Pacman Jones and the Cowboys have agreed to terms on a deal that would allow the talented defensive back/special teamer to play in Dallas this season. The Titans gave Jones and his agent permission to seek a trade, but at this point there are no definitive or confirmed terms to report. While Jones and the Cowboys may have agreed to compensation between the two parties, Jerry Jones and Tennessee have to reach an agreement as well. Stay tuned.
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Apparently, the trade would be for a conditional 2nd Day pick based on Pac's performance on the field, conduct off the field, and the condition of his reinstatement determines if the trade goes through.
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so what do you guys think it will cost?
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i just cant see anything earlyer then that
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so what do you guys think it will cost?
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i just cant see anything earlyer then that
5th that can become a 4th (maybe 3rd?) if everything goes perfect sounds about right.
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if this happens dallas is on the good end, they have nothing to lose. They draft a cb and pick up a elite cb its a win win situation
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This is a move ive been hoping for since its happened, I cant remember the last time Dallas signed a problem child/thug/cancer and it actually blew up in their face and destroyed team chemistry, can anyone else? Not to say Pacman doesnt have his problems but the upside you cant overlook, its a mid/late rd pick and his deal has already been talked about which would be incentive based just like the Tank Johnson deal, if he gets arrested in week 2 we didnt lose any money or a high pick.

The plus side is he would instantly become our punt returner which we need, and he doesnt have to get thrown into the starting lineup, he can be a nickel guy behind Henry and Newman until he's back into football shape or playing at a high level...Mix in the fact that corner is our weakest position on the team and we only have 2 guys there, we could use a young talented guy like him...I dont think it stops us from drafting a corner in the 1st rd honestly, Pacman isnt enough to make you forget about drafting someone especially with Henry's situation no telling how many more years he plays.
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This is a move ive been hoping for since its happened, I cant remember the last time Dallas signed a problem child/thug/cancer and it actually blew up in their face and destroyed team chemistry, can anyone else? Not to say Pacman doesnt have his problems but the upside you cant overlook, its a mid/late rd pick and his deal has already been talked about which would be incentive based just like the Tank Johnson deal, if he gets arrested in week 2 we didnt lose any money or a high pick.

The plus side is he would instantly become our punt returner which we need, and he doesnt have to get thrown into the starting lineup, he can be a nickel guy behind Henry and Newman until he's back into football shape or playing at a high level...Mix in the fact that corner is our weakest position on the team and we only have 2 guys there, we could use a young talented guy like him...I dont think it stops us from drafting a corner in the 1st rd honestly, Pacman isnt enough to make you forget about drafting someone especially with Henry's situation no telling how many more years he plays.
Quincy Carter/Antonio Bryant come to mind.
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Werent those guys drafted? Im talking about bringing in a guy thats already a cancer, not drafting one and them turning into one.
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Quincy Carter/Antonio Bryant come to mind.
They didn't arrive through FA.

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You said signed, you do sign your draft picks. It's the same thing...they go through all the same processes. Their problems were known before they got here.

I'm okay w/ this as long as we still draft a 1st/2nd round CB...depending upon if we move up for D-Mac or not. I dont have any faith in him staying behave. We'd obviously need a capable player that can step right in, at any time. The higher the pick, the better. You gotta love his talent but, the man is a punk. T.O./Tank are one thing...this is an entirely different beast.
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You said signed, you do sign your draft picks. It's the same thing...they go through all the same processes. Their problems were known before they got here.
They knew Quincy was a crack head? Wow. I didn't know they knew that when they drafted him.
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You said signed, you do sign your draft picks. It's the same thing...they go through all the same processes. Their problems were known before they got here.
Yeah, but now you know where LL was coming from. He meant sign as in FA. So your response is not related to his point.
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Yeah, I knew where he was coming from but, it is relative. They do go through all the same processes, and Quincy was known to be immature and he did have a drug record that was known. He was put in the rehabilitation program in his rookie season. I'm just saying, we've made bad judgements before. Pacman may never learn. I'm obviously a little worried here and I think I have a good reason to be.
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Titans should see how much they can get for him if not much keep him, maybe see how he plays in the 1st 5 weeks of the season then trade him his stock should go up if he plays good, if he doesnt trade him
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Yeah, I knew where he was coming from but, it is relative. They do go through all the same processes, and Quincy was known to be immature and he did have a drug record that was known. He was put in the rehabilitation program in his rookie season. I'm just saying, we've made bad judgements before. Pacman may never learn. I'm obviously a little worried here and I think I have a good reason to be.
Quincy and Bryant never became real problems... outside of them not being very good players. They had problems, but they never caused any significant detriment to the team... like something that brought the rest of the team down. Seriously... if there is one thing you should have learned, it should be that Jerry doesn't let players who become a distraction to the team stick around.
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Right now, it seems Dallas and Detroit are the only serious teams who are attempting to trade for Jones.

Dallas may be in the best position to make the best offer. A 4th RD pick in the Draft would have trouble making the 'Boys' roster, where a talent like PacMan could and would be a good value. I'd accept a 4th RD pick as a Titans fan who's tired of dealing with Pac, but I wouldn't be opposed to a conditional shift to a 3rd RD pick pending Pac's production and behavior. A game-changing Punt Returner alone is worth a 3rd RD pick, let alone him being a great Corner. Of course, if it's a conditional pick, it will be in the '09 Draft and not this year's. And if we're talking about trading for picks in a Draft that is two Drafts away, that original '09 4th RD pick has the value of a '08 5th RD pick.

Detroit apparently wants PacMan, but I don't think they could win a bidding war with Jerry Jones; especially to win a damaged good like Pac. The only way I see Detroit landing PacMan is if they traded us their 1st RD pick at #15 for our #24, PacMan, and probably a 3rd RD pick, but I dunno the values off the top of my head so don't flame me. A dream scenario for Titans fans is if Detroit offers Roy Williams in exchange for our 2nd RD pick and PacMan. But I doubt that happens.

I'd prefer a trade with Dallas along the line of this:


Dallas receives: Pick #54 (Titans), Adam "PacMan" Jones (Titans)
Titans receive: Pick #61 (Dallas), Pick #92 (Dallas)

Essentially, the Titans trade their 2nd RDer and PacMan for Dallas' 2nd and 3rd RDers. The combined value of Dallas' picks amount to 424. The Titans' 2nd RD pick's value amounts to 360, which means in order for the trade to be fair, PacMan's value equals 64. That's equivelant to the 115th pick in the Draft, which is in the middle of the 4th RD. It's fair and it works for both teams, in my opinion. PacMan has "Draft Day Trade" written all over him.
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If this goes down I definitely want a pick in this year's draft for him.
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its a high risk high reward type of deal. it can pay off big time, but it can also destroy a lockerroom.

i have a feeling it works for them. but im not sure if the initial media circus will be easy to overcome.

this move gives Jerry the green light to go after DMac. should be interesting.
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i honestly think the cowboys are just better off avoiding distractions and drafting a CB. theyre almost there anyway, why roll the dice when you don't need to?
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i honestly think the cowboys are just better off avoiding distractions and drafting a CB. theyre almost there anyway, why roll the dice when you don't need to?
Based off talent alone, I'm not sure there is a better cb in the draft. Pacman gives us that fast twitch compact corner that can keep up with the Wes Welkers, Steve Smiths and Santana Moss' of the world. We've had trouble keeping smaller receivers in check and with Pacman, we'd have that guy.
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i honestly think the cowboys are just better off avoiding distractions and drafting a CB. theyre almost there anyway, why roll the dice when you don't need to?
We only have Newman, Henry, and Ball on the roster right now. Pacman doesn't necessarily eliminate the need to draft a CB. There is no guarantee that he would stay out of trouble. We would be in a season ending hole if we were going to rely solely on Pacman and he got suspended.

Henry has been injured every year since being a Cowboy and I would bank on it happening again. Looking into the future, my guess would be that Henry is gone after this season anyways. I think it would be good to get Pacman and draft a guy too.

In fact, it's probably necessary.
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