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Old 03-24-2008, 12:04 PM    (permalink
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I cant win! You seem convinced Phil Dawson is the best kicker or one of them in the NFL.

I guess the only arguement I have left is FG%, which he finished 12th in the league at. The BEST kickers in a given year should at least be in the top 5, should they not?

But im sure youll find a way to twist it, by not counting a FG because it was kicked on actual grass like Hines Field, or you might not even count the one in Baltimore because it was windy?

Did you forget the one against the Raiders that he failed to get projection on?

I think your argueing for Phil Dawson not because he might be one of the best but more so because your a Browns fan?

Out of 76 kickoffs Phil only had 5 touchbacks all year. 3 of then were at mile high which I think we can agree get thrown out the door.

The BEST kickers can get the ball high and still put them in or around the endzone. With the money Phil made last year I think the Browns deserve that.
Ok kickoffs are not his strong point, but in the 9 yrs hes been kicking for us only 2 have been returned for tds. I have to believe that he has a part in that; along with the good sp teams we have had. Plus, him being a kicker, I don't really care about kickoff dist. only if he makes kicks when they count for points.

And you want to go by fg percentage? Ok. But instead of season to season, how about career. In which he ranks 6th ALL TIME.(as of 2006)

All in all I can say that whenever Phil goes into the game I have no doubt that the balls going to go through the uprights. So in my mind that makes him the best.

PS: When you say "projection". Do you mean protection? If so then how can a blocked fg be the kickers fault if the blocker get blasted 5 yrds into the backfield?
PPS: Take away blocks and he goes 26 of 28 92% tied NFL lead.
PPPS: How does he have touch backs at mile high? We didnt play the Broncos in the regular season.
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Jason Hanson is one of the more underrated kickers in the NFL.
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Jeff Reed is underrated. He has to kick 8 games+ a Year in Heinz field (Worst field to kick in).

He almost.. I repeat ALMOST had a 65-66 Yarder IN DENVER.

He was 23/25 last year, 92%, 48 Long, Missed one between 40-49, and one over 50 (The 65 yarder in Denver that was just a smidgen to the left). He was also 44/44 on Xp.
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"We didnt play the Broncos in the regular season."

The stats included our 4 preseason games.

"I don't really care about kickoff dist. only if he makes kicks when they count for points. "

I dont think we can discount a very important job the kicker performs. Field position is a key eliment to special teams. If you want to talk about the best player at their position all of the jobs duties have to be in the discussion.

Lets get back to the main topic of this thread.......BEST KICKER IN THE NFL.
Do you honestly think it is Phil Dawson or did you just throw his name out there because he is the kicker of your favorite team?

In reality and statistically Phil does not even rank in the top 10.

I think it is only us Browns fans that love him, in which case that is not a good enough arguement for his name to be mentioned in this thread.
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Old 03-24-2008, 03:50 PM    (permalink
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Jeff Reed is underrated. He has to kick 8 games+ a Year in Heinz field (Worst field to kick in).

He almost.. I repeat ALMOST had a 65-66 Yarder IN DENVER.He was 23/25 last year, 92%, 48 Long, Missed one between 40-49, and one over 50 (The 65 yarder in Denver that was just a smidgen to the left). He was also 44/44 on Xp.
No offense, but so what? Almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. Plus the fact that it was at Denver really doesn't mean anything considering it's probably easier to kick there with the thin air.
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I truly believe Adam Vinatieri to be #1. Absolutely clutch.
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Ben Graham is a terrible punter.
He averages 44 yards a punt and 40 net yards for his career. Also puts 32% inside the 20. I'd say that's right at the league average.
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Bets kicker right now: Josh Brown
Best in a few years: Mason Crosby

I so wish the Saints would have listened to be last year and drafted Mason Crosby :(
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I believe the Falcons are going to win at least two more games this year because of Jason Elam, maybe more. That would be doubling or coming close to doubling our projected wins.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:34 AM    (permalink
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I believe the Falcons are going to win at least two more games this year because of Jason Elam, maybe more. That would be doubling or coming close to doubling our projected wins.
I agree. Elam is number 2 in CLUTCH situations, where the kicker truly matters the most.
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Phil Dawson cant even be mentioned with the BEST because when he hit the crossbar, it was only 51 yards away, that should be money for the BEST kickers.
Touche... But you gotta admit that those snow kicks were pretty amazing. He may not be the best but he definately was entertaining this year and at the least earned some merit.

And while I agree Vinatieri is an excellent kicker he is not the best in the league. But he is hands-down the best clutch and playoff kicker currently in the league. Maybe the best ever.
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Id still take Vinatieri over anybody, but this year's draft really seems to have had 2 studs in the making in Mason Crosby and Nick Folk. Both of them were very very good.

Im still pissed the Giants didn't take Crosby in the 6th.
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Crosby was clearly the best kicker last year and there were rumors he could go as early as round 3. Then rumors got out he was having bad workouts and the elevation in Colorado was why he kicked so good and he fell down board.
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Crosby He is young and has a accurate,strong leg
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Crosby is the best kicker in the NFL. That pretty hard concidering that he has to kick in Green Bay
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I think anyone kicking in Buffalo deserves some credit.
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