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Old 03-23-2008, 03:25 PM    (permalink
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Its been pretty dead around here, and this is always a good topic for debate. Would you rahter have a dominant interior pass rusher, or a dominant edge rusher to build your defence around? Warren Sapp or Michael Strahan?(in their primes)

Me, personally, i think that an interior pass rush is far more rare then an exterior pass rush. I also think that its more effective, and prevents the Qb from stepping up into his throws. I guess its a matter of opinion, but it gives the oppourtunity to talk about the X's and O's a little more. Wat are everyone's thoughts?
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I'd say since a majority of the QB's in the league are pocket passers I'd rather have an interior rush to either force them to move outside the pocket and throw on the run or make them not be able to step into their passes.
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Interior, two DT's wreaking havoc on a line in sight of the QB has a way bigger mental effect, plus it makes it harder to run against as well.
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Interior by far. No "stepping up" to avoid the heat. As Addict indicated, if the DT's are pushing through the interior OL then the running game is also going to have significant problems.

The difficulty is finding/developing the DT talent needed to get a consistent interior rush.
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Ya interior are much more rare to come by these days. Interior screws up everything with a quarterback from the step up to there steps. A lot of plays have pulling guards and if you have a good quick DT they can penetrate that gap before it even shuts... that is deadly. Interior by far.
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Bullrushing DE's!
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Ill take two dominant DT's over two dominant edge rushers...Probably because its alot harder to find an elite guy in the middle to create a push, and you can plug in guys to get after teh qb...Just grab some athletic or quick guys and they can get around the edge, but Ill take a Warren Sapp in the middle all day to disrupt the running and passing game.
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The Jags and Vikings, two of my favorite 4-3 D's in the league, live and die on their interior linemen.

If you want to physically dominate a team, you start with the interior. Having a great interior pass rush will upgrade your outside pass rush anyway.
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Interior pass rushers are much harder to come by. I'd rather have one of those and take my chances on finding an exterior pass rusher, which seems to be much easier to find.
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i voted exterior but i believe it depends on the type of interior pass rush you get.

if you have a stroud/henderson combo inside that can get to the QB AND stop the run, then of course your always going to take that.

but, the majority of the time, good interior pass rushers have a bit of a weakness against the run as they tend to be on the smaller side ala tommie harris. even sapp and booger were both at or maybe just above 300 pounds tops in their primes.

so if you have to sacrifice your run stopping ability in order to get that interior pass rush, then id rather be able to attack from the outside. if you have some big stout DTs inside forcing the run outside, its easier for speedier DEs (who are normally the goo dpass rushers) to be able to make plays on them. also, its easier on your linebackers since the mlb can drop into pass coverage and your safeties can stay out of the box when you have run stuffing DTs. those DTs can plug up the middle forcing runs to the outside wehre the ends and OLBs can clean up.

so thats why i went with exterior, but thats just assuming that the interior pass rush hurts your run stopping
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interior rush. fundamentally guards aren't as good as blocking the pass as the run. this is why tommie harris, justin tuck are both so dangerous. stroud, henderson, and both pat and kevin williams are way more adept at stopping the run than attacking the passer. sure they create mismatches, but their primary goals are to stop the run. you can see it in the stats over the past few years.

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Interior Rush no question. QBs like to step into their throws and with an interior rush they can't do that very well. With an edge rush the QB can just step up in the pocket, with interior penetration theirs no where he can go.

Than you consider that interior disruptive linemen take double teams or gets penetration and helps alot against the run. An end running off the edge definitly doesn't help and can hurt it.
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Depends. If I have Warren Sapp or Simeon Rice I take Warren Sapp. If I have Booger McFarland or Simeon Rice I take Simeon Rice. The interior pass rusher must be elite, like eight plus sacks a year, to be considered over an elite defensive end.
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when u have a good interior rush, it makes yur DE's look A LOT better

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Sam Adams = QB's never stepping up

that made Aaron Schobel look like a good player

after this past season, we all realized, he isnt that good
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when u have a good interior rush, it makes yur DE's look A LOT better

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that made Aaron Schobel look like a good player

after this past season, we all realized, he isnt that good
In 2007 neither of them were there and he had 14.5 sacks. In 2006 Sam Adams was there but not Pat Williams and Adams played limited snaps, and Schobel collected 12 sacks.
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In 2007 neither of them were there and he had 14.5 sacks. In 2006 Sam Adams was there but not Pat Williams and Adams played limited snaps, and Schobel collected 12 sacks.
yeah really, i was going to say something like that but i couldnt remember his exact number of sacks. schobel is very good imo
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I prefer a dominant DT over a dominant DE, and not just because of the pass-rushing effects on a QB.

Not only does a DT collapse the pocket, but he'll also cause the RB to bounce the run out off the tackle instead of going up the gut during a run play. A great DE may over run the play, or at least be taken out of the play easier when the RB is going towards him. If the RB is going towards the DT, it's up to the Guard and Center to push him out. If they can't, he disrupts the play and in most cases causes a poor or negative play.
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a lot of you keep saying that youd rather have the good inside rush because it helps to stop the run but i would like to point out that so few run stuffing DTs can also get after the passer effectively.

a good one cut runner can find the holes that the rushing d-lineman are leaving behind them and explode through in an instant. all the better when you have a zbs spreading everyone out....

ill stick to my guns in that in most cases, good interior pass rush can leave your defense vulnerable to the run
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ill agree with ya there but try telling me that having 2 tommie harris's inside wont hurt your run d. even ill admit to that.....

you get up against a tough oline, have to pull your safeties into the box to stop the run, and suddenly even your pass d is weakeend
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ill agree with ya there but try telling me that having 2 tommie harris's inside wont hurt your run d. even ill admit to that.....

you get up against a tough oline, have to pull your safeties into the box to stop the run, and suddenly even your pass d is weakeend
Forget tommy harris, think more Warren Sapp.
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Do the Texans have a bright future with Mario Williams and Amobi Okoye then? with a little bit of both?
there defensive line does.
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Do the Texans have a bright future with Mario Williams and Amobi Okoye then? with a little bit of both?
If both develop into what they should be (and don't forget Travis Johnson in that mix as well), then they could have one of the best DLs in the NFL, as much as it pains me to say that as a Colts fan.
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