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Old 03-26-2008, 12:48 PM    (permalink
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The Colts had every reason? You think most of those fans would have bought an exspensive ticket to watch Jim Sorgie? Its just another recent reason this league is turning into a joke.

NFC East the toughest? But then you go on to say every division is tough? Thats not much support to your own statement.

And no every game isnt tough. Just ask the Titans who got an easy ride against the Colts because they rested all of their star players. tell me that was tough? Were the games for the Pats early this year very tough? how about when the Steelers killed the Browns, was that hard for them to?
Take care of your own ****. It's not the Colts job to get the Browns in the playoffs. You lost to Oakland, Arizona, and Cincinatti, it's you're own fault and no one else's.
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The Colts had every reason? You think most of those fans would have bought an exspensive ticket to watch Jim Sorgie? Its just another recent reason this league is turning into a joke.

NFC East the toughest? But then you go on to say every division is tough? Thats not much support to your own statement.

And no every game isnt tough. Just ask the Titans who got an easy ride against the Colts because they rested all of their star players. tell me that was tough? Were the games for the Pats early this year very tough? how about when the Steelers killed the Browns, was that hard for them to?

NFC East?
#1 Dallas beat you
#2 You beat the Giants when they started out 0-2, they werent good till midway through the season.
#3 barely beat the redskins and eagles by a combine 6 pts.

GB had a very good year, but you can thank Brett Favre not Ted Thompson.
The Colts had every right because they clinched their playoff spot. Its just sour grapes on the Browns part to say otherwise. Why risk a Peyton Manning injury to play the Titans in a meaningless game for the Colts. Would you want Anderson playing Week 17 if you had your spot clinched. NO and don't even attempt to say you would!!!!! GB12 said it best, take care of your own schedule. Any team that can't beat the Oakland Raiders doesn't deserve to go the playoffs. They deserve to have Jim Sorgi play the Titans and thats what happened.

I didn't say the NFC East is toughest in my own opinion. I said other people claim that the NFC East is the toughest if you go by the theory of thinking some divisions are better than others. And who cares how many points you win by. Most games in the NFL are close.

And if I were to determine who had the tougher schedule as a non-Packer non-Brown fan, the Browns schedule from 2007 doesn't exactly scream tough. Dolphins,Bills,Jets,49ers,Bengals 2X(1 loss),Ravens(2x),Rams,Texans all had down/some terrible years along with Oakland. I'd say the Browns were more of a product of their schedule than the Packers.

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Take care of your own ****. It's not the Colts job to get the Browns in the playoffs. You lost to Oakland, Arizona, and Cincinatti, it's you're own fault and no one else's.
wow tough guy. I bet not as tough as the NFC East though right?
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wow tough guy. I bet not as tough as the NFC East though right?
What the hell does the NFC East have to do with anything? You aren't even making an argument you're just asking dumb questions.
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What the hell does the NFC East have to do with anything? You aren't even making an argument you're just asking dumb questions.
It wasnt to you, but i guess since your yurning for attention, Ill allow you to respond.
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It wasnt to you, but i guess since your yurning for attention, Ill allow you to respond.
You quoted my post saying "wow tough guy. I bet not as tough as the NFC East though right?"
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What the hell does the NFC East have to do with anything? You aren't even making an argument you're just asking dumb questions.
He was directing that towards me because I said most people think that the NFC East is the toughest divison.
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He was directing that towards me because I said most people think that the NFC East is the toughest divison.
It was a joke also so I hope you dont get sore over it.
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It was a joke also so I hope you dont get sore over it.
You just need to stop talking b/c you can't put forth a rational thought
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wow tough guy. I bet not as tough as the NFC East though right?
The Packers didn't lose to the NFC East other than Dallas. They only lost 3 games.

2 to the Bears, who still have a good defense when healty and seem to have Favres number and 1 to the Cowboys.

If you deserved to make the playoffs, you would have won one more game. Oakland was your best bet or even in the close game against Pittsburgh. You didn't so you didn't make the playoffs.
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thanks mod. But you were supposed to put CANT, not CAN, better edit your post.
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It was a joke also so I hope you dont get sore over it.
Why would I get sore over it?
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The Packers didn't lose to the NFC East other than Dallas. They only lost 3 games.

2 to the Bears, who still have a good defense when healty and seem to have Favres number and 1 to the Cowboys.

If you deserved to make the playoffs, you would have won one more game. Oakland was your best bet or even in the close game against Pittsburgh. You didn't so you didn't make the playoffs.
Why are you argueing the Browns? This has nothing to do with them. They also had one of if not the easiest schedules. And like the Packers probably overacheived.
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thanks mod. But you were supposed to put CANT, not CAN, better edit your post.
thanks for pointing that out....taken care of
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Why would I get sore over it?
I didnt know if you would take it the wrong way, it wasnt my intention to do so or start a fight.
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IMO Phil Savage. In 3-4 years he took the very worste team in the NFL to possibly top 5 in the hard AFC.

Everyone remembers some of our horrible draft picks. Free agents despite us having money, refused to play here.

We get the top free agents now, great pro bowl quality draft picks. Hes unbeleavable at getting players as undrafted FA's getting Cribbs and Bodden of late. He was also in charge of bringing in and having faith in Derek Anderson.

He played a huge part in the Ravens superbowl and the solid teams they had and brought the same style to Cleveland.

Ted Thomas deserved to win, and I also like AJ Smith, but Phil easily did the most with less.

We didnt have a simgle pro bowler for a span of about 5-6 years, and we had 6 this year.

The Browns could have around 9 pro bowl players this year if everyone plays up to par.
Derek Anderson
Braylon Edwards
Kellen Winslow
Lawrence Vickers (without Lorenzo Neal Vickers is a near lock)
Joe Thomas
Eric Steinbach (has made 2 before)
Josh Cribbs
Shaun Rogers (has made 2 before)
Kamerion Wimbley

Its just nasty what Phil Savage has done with the talent level of this team and I didnt even include the solid players like...
Jamal Lewis
Donte Stallworth
Corey Williams
Sean Jones
Eric Wright
Andra Davis
Dqwell Jackson
Brodney Poole
Kevin Shaffer
Hank Fraley
Joe Jurivicius
Brady Quinn

THis team is going to be pretty nasty. He has also brought an unbelievable coaching staff in from the horrid Butch Davis years.

His been credited for genius salary cap meneuvers that have since been picked up by teams all around the league.

Who would have thought 3 years ago when he took over for the Browns we would be talking deep playoff runs? If this team was in the NFC they could easily be considered the 2nd best team by more than one guru.

Before Phil Savage/after Phil Savage
Tim Couch - Derek Anderson
William Green - Jamal Lewis
Terrell Smith - Lawrence Vickers
Kevin Johnson - Braylon Edwards
Quincy Morgan - Donte Stallworth
Dennis Northcutt - Joe Jurivicius
LJ Sheldon - Joe THomas
Joe Andruzzi - Eric Steinbach
Jeff Faine - Hank Fraley
Cosey Coleman - Lecharles Bentley (finally healthy)
Ross Verba - Kevin Shaffer

Kenard Land - Corey Williams
Gerard Warren - Shaun Rogers
Alvin McKinley - Shaun Smith
Ebinezer Eukuban - Robair Smith
Ben Taylor - Dqwell Jackson
Kevin Bentley - Kamerion Wimbley
Daylon Mccutcheon - Eric Wright
Michael Jamison - Brodney Poole
Michael Lehan - Sean Jones




anyone see a difference in 3 years?
Then why should Savage win the award. If they both overachieved.
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Then why should Savage win the award. If they both overachieved.
I said he should have been considered. If you read the post I said IMO Thompson should have one, which he did.

Somehow it escaladed into a fight with packers fans etc....not really sure how?
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I didnt know if you would take it the wrong way, it wasnt my intention to do so or start a fight.
I'm not fighting. Are you? I'm arguing in a calm respectful manner, much like you are. Isn't that how a message board works?
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I said he should have been considered. If you read the post I said IMO Thompson should have one, which he did.
And I'm sure Savage was considered.

So why bash Thompson because the Packers had an "easy" schedule?
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I'm not fighting. Are you? I'm arguing in a calm respectful manner, much like you are. Isn't that how a message board works?
Ya no problems wit you bro. But Ive got 3 negative reps from 3 different packers fans that think I hate their team. Maybe they forgot I was on their side to start?

I was on the side of Thompson, but got angry at neg rep from Pack fans so I started to look on the other side of the grass.

For 5 dollas Ill be a Lion fan tomm ok? My Sanders jersey is still in the attick.

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Ya no problems wit you bro. But Ive got 3 negative reps from 3 different packers fans that think I hate their team. Maybe they forgot I was on their side to start?

I was on the side of Thompson, but got angry at neg rep from Pack fans so I started to look on the other side of the grass.

For 5 dollas Ill be a Lion fan tomm ok? My Sanders jersey is still in the attick.
Haha I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy being a Lions fan right now. Maybe one day, but not with Millen.

I wonder if Millen got any votes? LOL
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Haha I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy being a Lions fan right now. Maybe one day, but not with Millen.

I wonder if Millen got any votes? LOL
I still wonder about the Lions.

6-2 start and people thought Millen might win something
then a 1-7 finish?
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Ya no problems wit you bro. But Ive got 3 negative reps from 3 different packers fans that think I hate their team. Maybe they forgot I was on their side to start?

I was on the side of Thompson, but got angry at neg rep from Pack fans so I started to look on the other side of the grass.
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Take care of your own ****. It's not the Colts job to get the Browns in the playoffs. You lost to Oakland, Arizona, and Cincinatti, it's you're own fault and no one else's.
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And the Packers came up short again with maybe their last shot at a SB until they get a real QB lol!
So I neg repped you back not only for that but because you aren't making any sense in you're arguments and can't make a valid point if your life depended on it. I didn't even say anything about the Packers I was talking about the Browns.
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Originally Posted by DawgBone View Post
I still wonder about the Lions.

6-2 start and people thought Millen might win something
then a 1-7 finish?
Terrible Defense that overachieved in the first half and a refusal of Martz to run the ball. Everyone disappeared on the D-line, unfortunatley including Shaun Rogers which is why he is a Brown now. I think Rogers has a lot left though and he is a tremendous talent. I think the Lions still neeed him because Darby is not the answer but I'm happy we got Bodden and a 3rd for him.
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