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Old 04-01-2008, 03:19 PM    (permalink
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Something about this strikes me as wrong. The facemask rule made sense, because tackling high or twisting a players neck could be incredibly dangerous (Dick Lane proved that). However, most tacklers lead with their hardhat, and making any stiff arm to the head a potential penalty would change a lot of things.

In the end, a defender can cause way more damage in stopping a player and bringing him to the ground by his facemask. All an offensive player is trying to do is get away.
Well if a corner hits a receiver in the facemask at the line it's a 5 yard penalty for hands to the face with an automatic first down. I don't see how a stiff arm is any different.
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Well if a corner hits a receiver in the facemask at the line it's a 5 yard penalty for hands to the face with an automatic first down. I don't see how a stiff arm is any different.
Exactly my point. You can't have it one way and not the other.
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Well if a corner hits a receiver in the facemask at the line it's a 5 yard penalty for hands to the face with an automatic first down. I don't see how a stiff arm is any different.
Because a stiff arm by a ball carrier is a defensive act, and almost any other form of it is an inherently offensive act. I do think that if a runner grabs an offensive players facemask and twists it around maliciously, that should be a penalty, but there's no real reason for a player to ever do that.

There is a definite difference between warding off large men trying to cause you bodily harm with a stiff arm and bringing a player to the ground by his facemask or smacking a player in the face when he doesn't even have the ball.
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You shouldn't be allowed to grab it, but then again in the speed of the game most face masks are missed anyway.
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no you shouldn't be able to grab the mask and pull the defender down but making facemasking a 15 yard penalty come on let the guys play soon you want be able to tackle it just be 2 hand touch
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Charean Williams, of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reports the NFL's competition committee is recommending officials make stiff arms to the face a 15-yard penalty in 2008. Tennessee Titans head coach and co-chairman of the competition committee Jeff Fisher said "grabbing on or twisting" the face mask by an offensive player on a defensive player will be a 15-yard face mask penalty. Offensive players also will be flagged 15 yards for illegal hands to the face if they shove a defensive player backward with a stiff arm to the face, according to Fisher

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I love this rule for one.

Frustrating to see a defender get a 15 yard for barely turning a head, then on the next play seeing the rb nearly twist a head off to no call.

This is about safety and I like it.
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Old 04-14-2008, 01:38 PM    (permalink
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I guess the rule would be ok if you grab and twist their face, but what is this turning into flag football.... two hand touch? More and more rules every year pretty soon there be a penalty every play.
I don't see how this is destroying football. This is a play that can have really nasty results.

I don't see the difference between a Running back Twisting a defenders head around, or pulling him by the mask, and a Corner back doing it.

I forget who we played but I remember a Stiff arm (I believe LT) that twisted McFaddens helmet sideways.

Remember Antrell Rolle's Breakneck of Larry Johnson? That can happen if your the RB or CB?
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this is gonna hurt some RBs cause you know there still gonna stiff arm and think about it after
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Rule makes sense. Player like marion barber are going to have to change a little...
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This really sucks for LT.
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i dont think they mean the normal stiff arm pushing the guys away like everyone is showing here but more of the punching type where you just tee off on a defensive player
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i dont think they mean the normal stiff arm pushing the guys away like everyone is showing here but more of the punching type where you just tee off on a defensive player
You can stiff arm, just not grab the facemask and twist the players head.. just like the defensive context.
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so u can still push them down i.e.?
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The competition committee did a good thing by eliminating the 5 yard incidental face mask by defenders, but this no stiff's to the face from the offense is ********.

This is turning into a game for women.

I could see no grabbing and twisting (but who does that anyway), but no stiff arms at all to the face? What a joke.

This rule will get changed back after people see how annoying the game is when a RB gets a 15 yard penalty for a stiff arm.
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i dont think they mean the normal stiff arm pushing the guys away like everyone is showing here but more of the punching type where you just tee off on a defensive player
No, I believe you cannot touch the defensive players head at all, just the chest and below.

It's stupid because now a player has to think about where they are going to stiff arm a guy instead of just being able to react.

EDIT: it should also be considered that the offensive player only has 1 free hand, whereas the defensive player has 2. The offense should be allowed a little more leeway with where they put that 1 hand.

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Just try to fairly push them away to the chest or whatever... Grabbing a dude in the facemask and jerking his neck back is kind of cheap.
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A back should be allowed to stick his hand on the defenders face mask or push off him, but holding on to it and pulling it should definitly be a penalty. I do love a good hard stiff arm, looks like those will be a thing of the past.
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A back should be allowed to stick his hand on the defenders face mask or push off him, but holding on to it and pulling it should definitly be a penalty. I do love a good hard stiff arm, looks like those will be a thing of the past.
Those who are opposed will ask should a defender be allowed to go full force into an offender and push his head back by the face mask?
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Usually, a runner stiff arms a defender in the face because the defender leapt at the runner and is leading with his helmet and the stiff arm is the only defense. So if runners aren't allowed to defend themselves from this, then I assume we're going to see an increase in Spearing calls against the defense.
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so u can still push them down i.e.?
I believe that when the player is coming at you, you can push the back of the helmet or top if they lower their head, or stiff arm to the chest.

It's not that their outlawing stiff arms, they just don't want injuries to the defensive players.

I know Emmitt Smith was a pretty bad stiff-arm facemasker.. I remember watching a Thanksgiving game where he grabbed a facemask and drug the guy with him an additional 10 yards while twisting his head non-stop.


I think people are overreacting, it's not the death of the stiffarm, just the death of facemasking both sides of the ball.
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Usually, a runner stiff arms a defender in the face because the defender leapt at the runner and is leading with his helmet and the stiff arm is the only defense. So if runners aren't allowed to defend themselves from this, then I assume we're going to see an increase in Spearing calls against the defense.
So if Brandon Jacobs is running down some 5'9 180lb CB, he can't get pulled down by his facemask, but the runner can grab his facemask and twist it?

I mean, every position is held to the illegal hands to the face rule.. except RB's. Until now.
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i agree with the twisting thing, and definately if they stick their fingers in the facemask, idk if its already a rule but im pretty sure it is. Its not fair because a player can tackle right when their head is being twisted all over. but idk about pushing a player to the ground being a penalty, its a physical sport, lets keep it that way.
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I do agree with the majority that touchin, not twisting or grabbing, should be allowed.
Stiff arms are one of my favorite moves in football.
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If this rule goes through you will see guys change how they hand out their stiff arms, i.e. players will be aiming for defenders chest/shoulder pads. IMO those are generally the best stiff arms anyways.....I also think that RB's will only be penalized when its a particularly vicious stiff arm to the head.

As long as this rule is applied and enforced properly I don't have a problem with it.
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