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Old 04-04-2008, 08:08 PM    (permalink
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QBs- Jax, Pats
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IMHO Portis/Betts > Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw
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One thing is for sure on paper Raiders take corner followed closely by the Eagles.
not to be a homer but i can't let this one slide.
Eagles have 3 probowl caliber players raiders have 2

Samuel, Sheppard, Brown > Asomugha, Hall, Washington
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Bills for RB?

Lynch is a monster. Fast and strong.

Fred Jackson- He isnt as well know as the other good backups in the league, but he is very impressive. He is pretty big, but he is very elusive. Very underrated
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Bills for RB?

Lynch is a monster. Fast and strong.

Fred Jackson- He isnt as well know as the other good backups in the league, but he is very impressive. He is pretty big, but he is very elusive. Very underrated
Good combo, but they're not even in the discussion.
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i really like the ravens safety combo. reeds the man and landrys soon to be..

al harris and charles woodson are nice in greenbay too
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Yup thats clearly a homer pick.

IMO it has to be the Pats.

Randy Moss got rated the #2 best WR of all time by ESPN and had maybe the best WR season in the history of the game this year?
Wes Welker had over 100 catches, 1100 yards and 8 TD's (other than Jennings, Welker had the same amount of TD's as the next 3 best WR's for the Packers combine.)

Donte Stallworth is betetr at this point in his career than the #3 for the packers
Jabar Gaffney > the packers #4

Randy Moss > Donald Driver
Wes Welker > Greg Jennings
Donte Stallworth > James Jones
Jabar Gaffney > Koren Robinson

and this doesnt count RD1 pick Chad Jackson who has been hurt.

Its just clearly the Pats over anyone.
Id take the pats WR's but the difference is very small IMO

It also has to do somewhat with how theyre used. Moss a lanky, fragile, deep threat and Driver a tough across the middle guy
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not to be a homer but i can't let this one slide.
Eagles have 3 probowl caliber players raiders have 2

Samuel, Sheppard, Brown > Asomugha, Hall, Washington
no, i dont think the eagles CB are better.
U have 2 of the Top 5 CBs on one team and 1 Top5 and maybe 1 top15 CB. Sheldon Brown might be better than washington, but the raiders are better, hands down.
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Sooo....this will probably be temporary with all the draft picks coming up...

QB - Pats, Colts
RB - Vikings, Chargers
FB - ?
WR - Cowboys, Pats [still deep w/o Stallworth]
TE - Chargers, Cowboys
OL - Vikings, Packers, Browns
DL - Vikings, Titans, Ravens
LB - Bears, possibly the Seahawks
CB - Raiders, Eagles
S - ?
K - Colts, Packers
P - Raiders
Special Teams - Bears, Browns
Panthers have a HUGE case for wide receiver with Steve Smith and Mushin Muhummad both being probowlers when they last had a good QB throwing them the ball and Hackett rounding out the trio is imo on the Patriots level.
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its not on the level of the Pats, not even close.

While Smith is a great WR, he is not as great as Moss. Muhsin lost a couple of steps and is not as good as he was. Hackett is a nice receiver but he and Moose are not even close to the level of Welker
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Lechler is not the best punter in the league.....he plays in Oakland! Mr. Moorman has earned that honor imo playing in just about the worst conditions for a punter and still posting great numbers (altho he did have a down year last year. he nearly broke records the year before)
And let's not forget DJ Fitzpatrick on top of that. Dude's a baller.
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Yup thats clearly a homer pick.

IMO it has to be the Pats.

Randy Moss got rated the #2 best WR of all time by ESPN and had maybe the best WR season in the history of the game this year?
Wes Welker had over 100 catches, 1100 yards and 8 TD's (other than Jennings, Welker had the same amount of TD's as the next 3 best WR's for the Packers combine.)

Donte Stallworth is betetr at this point in his career than the #3 for the packers
Jabar Gaffney > the packers #4

Randy Moss > Donald Driver
Wes Welker > Greg Jennings
Donte Stallworth > James Jones
Jabar Gaffney > Koren Robinson

and this doesnt count RD1 pick Chad Jackson who has been hurt.

Its just clearly the Pats over anyone.
you clearly have hate towards the Packers.

Moss is better then Driver but Welker being better then Jennings? and having Stallworth listed, when he no longer with the Pats? to top it off Gaffney being better then Robinson?

Welker hasnt proven he could be a good number two wide out in any offense, he has proven he could be a good short route runner who could get the yards after the catch, but this has been with Moss at number one and Stallworth at number two.

Jennings has shown he can burner and beat number 2 CB. Jennings has shown more and proven more then Welker.

I don't even need to mention Stallworth, he no longer with the Pats.

Gaffney hasn't done anything to be talked about or even mentioned. Robinson has been to the pro bowl before, and had a 1000 yard season in his career.

The Pats may have Moss, but everyone else are question marks and who knows how they would perform.

Moss>Driver
Welker Gaffney Jackson ...
Btw, Jackson is not a first round pick, and we traded down with the Pats allowing them to take Jackson, we later on took Jennings with their pick.
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no, i dont think the eagles CB are better.
U have 2 of the Top 5 CBs on one team and 1 Top5 and maybe 1 top15 CB. Sheldon Brown might be better than washington, but the raiders are better, hands down.
Top 10 for Lito he is shutdown he shut down Randy Moss something that most couldn't do.
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First off, i cant believe u guys are saying Jennings is proven in the NFL and Welker isnt...

Jennings had one great season and one good season. But WRs under Favre tend to be amazing . Welker had one amazing season (with Brady) but he also did fairly well with whoever was throwing it to him in Miami 2 years ago. To say Jennings is better than Welker is bullocks. Same level? Maybe Welker Better? Maybe. But dont say jennings is already great.

Lito Sheppard is injury prone which makes him top15 for me. He is kinda like Mike Brown for me. If Mike Brown is healthy, he is an amazing presence on the field for the bears. Unfortunately he never is healthy enough. And btw Moss was shut down a couple of times actually, and imo the reason for the bad game of moss wasnt only a great play by Lito but the incredible Pass Rush
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Lito Sheppard is injury prone which makes him top15 for me. He is kinda like Mike Brown for me. If Mike Brown is healthy, he is an amazing presence on the field for the bears. Unfortunately he never is healthy enough. And btw Moss was shut down a couple of times actually
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its not on the level of the Pats, not even close.

While Smith is a great WR, he is not as great as Moss. Muhsin lost a couple of steps and is not as good as he was. Hackett is a nice receiver but he and Moose are not even close to the level of Welker
They might not be number one, but I don't think the distance is as far as you're trying to paint it.

Muhammad is and always has been a very capable receiver, I know as a Chicago fan this will be hard for you to accept but your quarterback situation is and always as been terrible. Regardless, when he's given a decent feed of passes thrown his way he's never dipped under 800 yards when playing a full 16 game schedule. Last year was his first time ever going under that mark when starting a full 16 game schedule.

Age isn't as big a factor as you might think either, receivers like Marvin Harrison, T.O., Joey Galloway, and Aamani Toomer are all similar in age and haven't dropped in production all that much over the last couple of years.

Welker managed to get over 1000, only just when Brady threw a record breaking offense to a 16 game winning streak. With defenses stacking against moss and a safety having to account at all times for Watson it would've been a serious crime for welker not to have had 1000 yards with that much talent on the field keeping defenses honest and that many passes flying around.

Hackett and Muhummad is a better tandem than Gaffney and Welker.

Moss and Smith is a whole other debate, Moss has a slight edge at the moment, even though last time Smith had a healthy QB for a season he got the triple crown. Something Randy Moss has never ever done in his career.

Right now I'd say New England has the edge but I don't think its much of one. The difference is more offensive line play and stability at the QB position.
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Moss and Smith is a whole other debate, Moss has a slight edge at the moment, even though last time Smith had a healthy QB for a season he got the triple crown. Something Randy Moss has never ever done in his career.

Triple crown does that mean 100+ Rec, 1000+ Yards, 10+ Td's??? Because in 2003 with Minnesota Moss had 111 Rec, 1632 yards, 17 Td's. He has been close on my other occasions as well.
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not to be a homer but i can't let this one slide.
Eagles have 3 probowl caliber players raiders have 2

Samuel, Sheppard, Brown > Asomugha, Hall, Washington
I don't think that's homerish. As a homer, I like our top 2 better, but your 3rd/nickel is better. I am hoping we can get a pick for Washington, I like him but we need picks.
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Trying to compare Jennings to Welker is pointless, they are two completely different WR's with two completely different responsibilities, apples and oranges.
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Triple crown does that mean 100+ Rec, 1000+ Yards, 10+ Td's??? Because in 2003 with Minnesota Moss had 111 Rec, 1632 yards, 17 Td's. He has been close on my other occasions as well.
I dont think there's a number on it, you just have to lead the league in receptions, yards, and touchdowns...Jerry Rice and Sterling Sharpe.
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Patriots lost Stallworth, but last year they were clearly the better receiving corp.
I think it's pretty pointless to compare Ruvell Martin to Chad Jackson or Robinson to Gaffney. I know that fans tend to overvalue their own teams' player, but we're talking about the 4th and 5th WR on roster. We're talking about guys who see like 20 passes a year. They're on the field only in spread formations and if they make the catch, most of the time it's because the opposite team wasn't even thinking about them. Every WR in the NFL can have a little success as a #4 or #5. For example the Cowboys didn't even have a fifth active CB on game day!!
To value a receiving corp you have to consider only the first three guys in the depth chart, and also the TE's. They're the guys who are gonna see the ball, the other are good for maybe 1 play a game.
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Triple crown does that mean 100+ Rec, 1000+ Yards, 10+ Td's??? Because in 2003 with Minnesota Moss had 111 Rec, 1632 yards, 17 Td's. He has been close on my other occasions as well.
You have to lead the NFL in receptions, yards and touchdowns. In 03 moss was 2nd or 3rd for yards.

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You would think that consecutive years of being wrong would diminish Blindsite's homerism...
Yeah because its not like Muhummad or Smith have made a probowl before, or that Hackett is talented. Or that Smith is the only receiver in the last ten years to get the triple crown.

Its not like the last time Muhummad had a better than useless QB he made the probowl and led the league in receiving.

Its not like Jake Delhomme can't take a team to the playoffs or feed receivers.

Oh wait ALL those things are correct

Guess stating clear fact is homeristic.
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I think the broncos at least deserve an honerable mention at CB. Bailey and bly starting is a great combo. Unfortunately after that, I think our next best is Paymah, which kinda gets trumped by everyone else's nickelbacks.

We arent strong at any position, but we have two good starting corners. Just wanted them mentioned at least.
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You have to lead the NFL in receptions, yards and touchdowns. In 03 moss was 2nd or 3rd for yards.



Yeah because its not like Muhummad or Smith have made a probowl before, or that Hackett is talented. Or that Smith is the only receiver in the last ten years to get the triple crown.

Its not like the last time Muhummad had a better than useless QB he made the probowl and led the league in receiving.

Its not like Jake Delhomme can't take a team to the playoffs or feed receivers.

Oh wait ALL those things are correct

Guess stating clear fact is homeristic.
Wait you're seriously saying Smith is better than Moss?
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Off the top of my head:

QB - Patriots
RB - Vikings
WR - Cardinals
TE - Chargers
OL - Browns
DL - Giants
LB - Bears
DB - Eagles

Off the top of my head.
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