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Old 04-17-2008, 10:57 PM    (permalink
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If I'm Marvin Lewis, I'd still rather take the 8 million cap hit with the multiple 1st day picks for defense, find a way to manage around that money and try to make it work...Obviously his job is on the line, It's not going to help Marvin win with Chad on the bench with no compensation, so thats still like a cap hit when a guy isnt playing, he's under contract still, just eat the hit and take your losses...Ive seen worse, you will probably get a good deal, and if you hit on those picks have a chance to make a serious turnaround with alot more talent.
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I still seriously doubt that cinci will take an 8.03 million dollar cap hit to trade him away. Lets assume we get a first round pick out of it, we're going to go way over the salary cap after signing everyone just to get rid of him.

He's benched till 2010 or we get a really really good deal for it, otherwise throwing 8 million away is not worth it.
Thats exactly right Bengalsrocket. I read through the entire thread to see if anyone was going to say anything about the cap hit the Bengals would take if we would trade Johnson. Its a situation were its better for him to sit the pine then to be traded. He can sit the pine for the rest of his contract and then we can watch his potential Hall of Fame career go down the garbage tubes. He needs to face the facts that he isnt going to get his contract renegotiated, he isnt going to get traded and he is going to sit the bench. I wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt do something illegal next in order to get a suspension.

I have been hugely against drafting a WR early this season up until Chad's recent stunts. I used to believe that Chad would come to mandatory training camp and light the season on fire with a great year. Now I only think he is an idiot. The man said on live Television that he would be at mandatory training camp and he would be the same Chad Johnson when the season started. Now he is saying that he never said that? The man needs to watch the ESPN archive files or something and listen to himself. Maybe he should go back to College and take some classes instead of playing football. I have lost respect in him. He says he doesnt care that fans are disappointed in him, but in that same phone interview he said he would go to training camp. So I guess in reality he is crying in his room right now because we are all hurting his feelings. O well...still got TJ! and I expect big things from the other receivers we have and the one will will draft this year. I especially hope Holt has a good season.
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Walrus, stick around... We've gained 3 good Bengals posters in like a week, it's a whole lot less lonely if you all stick around lol.

I agree about being against a WR. Although, after Henry is finally gone I was (and I still am) hoping for one with one of our 3rd's. Bottom line is we need to shift to more of a running/defensive team.

With Carson at QB, our Oline and TJ we're always going to lean towards pass but Marvin has made a point of running more/passing less and that's what you need to do to win games in the NFL.

I really wish somehow CJ could not play, not show up and no talk. We all know this is impossible though so we'll just see how it goes.
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Yah I think Holt is pretty talented. A lot of people don't see him as any more than added depth / special teams, but he's got a lot of potential and I think Carson can turn him into a stud number 3 at least.

I'm really anxious to see how Marvin handles the roster this year. Up until now I feel that Marvin has changed this team around and he's a good coach - but this year he needs to prove he's got the strategy to win the AFC north. Its a tough division with a tough schedule and I wouldn't want to be him right now, but unfortunately its the situation he's in and he's got to handle it (or not handle it, and hopefully get fired if thats the case).
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Yah I think Holt is pretty talented. A lot of people don't see him as any more than added depth / special teams, but he's got a lot of potential and I think Carson can turn him into a stud number 3 at least.

I'm really anxious to see how Marvin handles the roster this year. Up until now I feel that Marvin has changed this team around and he's a good coach - but this year he needs to prove he's got the strategy to win the AFC north. Its a tough division with a tough schedule and I wouldn't want to be him right now, but unfortunately its the situation he's in and he's got to handle it (or not handle it, and hopefully get fired if thats the case).
It's a good thing you guys have such a gifted qb and offensive coordinator because Marvin has really not done much for the Bengals.

He is a defensive coach and their defense has not made any significant improvements during his tenure. He has seen talented young players come and go and nothing to really show for it. Aside from a few players the cupboard is pretty bare.
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jason la confora (washington post writer/redskins insider) has reported that during the redskins head coaching interview process, discussions regarding chad johnson were a staple of the interviews with each head coach candidate. word has it that snyder and cerrato have a thing for ocho. also i believe that if the bengals wait till june to trade him the cap penalty gets cut from 8 mil down to 4. that makes the decision to move him before the draft even harder. i guess it depends on what they want.
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One of the usual suspects will make an offer too good to pass up...Redskins are the likely choice to me too, sounds like a Snyder move...Old Al already made his move, I think Jerry thinks about it, but we would explore Boldin and Roy Williams first, and if those cant happen he might make the move...Id just hate it because we probably dont resign Hamlin.
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i hope someone can come up with a good deal with maybe a good defensive player and/or a draft pick. maybe wishful thinking but that would be nice.
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i hope someone can come up with a good deal with maybe a good defensive player and/or a draft pick. maybe wishful thinking but that would be nice.
I don't think its too out of the question, but usually good defensive players come with their own salary cap number. The Bengals might take a pretty large cap hit for the year if their inherited an inflated contract AND still paying for Ocho. I would much rather take a draft pick if I were the Bengals and grow some home made talent at a cheaper price.
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I really hope a deal gets done regardless. I know the salary cap hit is gonna be a large sum of money regardless of when we do decide to do a deal but it would be best for the team in the long run.
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The Patriots are probably going to get him for an autographed Belicheck hoodie and win every game for the next 3 years by a minimum of 40 points.
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Why must people really say TJ is better. Although I think I might burn my CJ jersey he is still far and away a better receiver than TJ. Without CJ this year I doubt TJ has more then 70 receptions. He just isn't a #1 receiver and any type of double team would completely negate him. It just saddens me when I think about a young CJ and how he would always say he would take the bengals to the top and be a part of the resurrection back to winning. He does make a point though, I mean it's not like the bengals didn't go to the playoffs, then next season blow it on the final 2 games of the year to miss the playoffs, then come back this season and suck worst then that. Marvin should be the one out not CJ.
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Why must people really say TJ is better. Although I think I might burn my CJ jersey he is still far and away a better receiver than TJ. Without CJ this year I doubt TJ has more then 70 receptions. He just isn't a #1 receiver and any type of double team would completely negate him. It just saddens me when I think about a young CJ and how he would always say he would take the bengals to the top and be a part of the resurrection back to winning. He does make a point though, I mean it's not like the bengals didn't go to the playoffs, then next season blow it on the final 2 games of the year to miss the playoffs, then come back this season and suck worst then that. Marvin should be the one out not CJ.
I agree CJ > TJ. However, TJ would not be a terrible number 1. Hines Ward plays similarly to TJ, they just balanced the team by adding S. Holmes as a deep threat.

People need to realize great speed isn't what makes a number 1.
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Im sorry but Hines has infinite more YAC ability and big play potential then TJ. TJ can catch the occasional bomb when hes on a #2 or 3 CB but there no way he can go deep on ANY #1 CB in the league. Chris Henry would of been a great CJ replacement as he was our best big play WR but he isn't even on the team anymore. Without CJ our WR corps would be terrible and it sucks because there isn't even a WR worth taking in the top 20 this year to replace this huge hole. Desean would be an ideal replacement but I highly doubt we can land him in the 2nd.
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Im sorry but Hines has infinite more YAC ability and big play potential then TJ. TJ can catch the occasional bomb when hes on a #2 or 3 CB but there no way he can go deep on ANY #1 CB in the league. Chris Henry would of been a great CJ replacement as he was our best big play WR but he isn't even on the team anymore. Without CJ our WR corps would be terrible and it sucks because there isn't even a WR worth taking in the top 20 this year to replace this huge hole. Desean would be an ideal replacement but I highly doubt we can land him in the 2nd.
Not going to try and start an argument, but TJ can make big plays (he proved that this year) and you have no idea how he will handle #1 CBs until he goes up against them more consistently.

Like I said earlier, I too think Chad is the better receiver. But you're acting like TJ is not valuable at all. He's in the top 5 #2's of this league (I'm thinking maybe Wes Welker / Santonio Holmes / Anquan Boldin / Reggie Wayne are all either equal or better, and thats not in a particular order btw).
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Just Trade this man...he won't be productive if he stays and he wil be a hassle.

You haven't won anything with him.

What am I saying....keep him....I'm as steeler fan so what why would I want the Bengals to do anything smart or productive.


But i wasn't taking into effect the cap hit so I guess your better off keeping him
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You cant say that he wont be productive. One thing i give him props for is that even when hes unhappy he gives his all
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On ESPN radio Chris Mortensen reported that the Redskins offered their 1st this year and 1st next year and the Bengals turned it down. He also reported the Cowboys and Eagles made offers as well.
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Wow 2 1st?? I hope we didnt offer that much, that's a pretty damn good offer.
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It was this years first round pick, and next years third round pick. The next years pick could elevate to a first round pick if he met certain performance levels.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

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Yeah but the massive cap hit they'd have to take to deal Chad is hard to swallow. That said it would be an awesome deal.
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Yeah but the massive cap hit they'd have to take to deal Chad is hard to swallow. That said it would be an awesome deal.
The best avenue is the Bengals and Johnson/Rosenhaus and agreeing to a restructuring of the contract, so that the Bengals can trade him, and then that restructuring won't matter anyways as Johnson/Rosenhaus will sign a new, big deal with the Redskins. If Chad wants out, give up the guaranteed money from Cincy and cash in in Washington. Get it done.

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It was this years first round pick, and next years third round pick. The next years pick could elevate to a first round pick if he met certain performance levels.

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unbelievable they would turn that down
Seriously, I would take that deal.
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That was a close one, why can't the redskins just hold a draft pick?
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