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Old 04-17-2008, 01:04 PM    (permalink
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I know the Chiefs definitely need offensive line help, but could they possibly select an end in the draft now? Hm.
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I know the Chiefs definitely need offensive line help, but could they possibly select an end in the draft now? Hm.
If this goes through, I'm sure they'll be looking for a tackle with the new 1st round pick and BPA with the #5 overall. Thus, Gholston or Long could be options if either falls.

It looks like KC is finally going to do a full rebuilding effort. Man, we are going to be BRUTAL to watch next year.
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I think the Queens will do it. He'd make their defense damn good, I just hope they overspend for him.
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trade talks that involve a defensive end and the skins are mentioned?!?! crazy talk. haha but seriously the chiefs cant be that stupid can they?
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trade talks that involve a defensive end and the skins are mentioned?!?! crazy talk. haha but seriously the chiefs cant be that stupid can they?
If Carl Peterson is involved then yes they can be that stupid
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so if they trade him for a draft pick....theyre still going to need a DE and will have to address it with a draft pick.

so why not just pay him his money? DEs of his caliber don't grow on trees.
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Carl Peterson has made some STUPID decisions during his time as the Chiefs GM, but if we actually traded arguably our best player and cornerstone of our defense, it will take the f'ing cake.

I know we're in rebuilding mode, but our defense is finally starting to show promise, and Jared Allen is one of, if not THE, biggest reason for this change. He's young (26), very skilled at the DE position, and is going to play for at least 7 or 8 more years.

Trading him would be a very, very big mistake.
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I wouldn't even hesitate giving a 1st/2nd or 1st/3rd for him.
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I really think this thread could be in the draft forum, or at least, a thread on said ramifications.

Anyhow, this is an interesting potential move. The three teams mentioned (Vikings, Buccaneers, Jaguars) are all mid-late first.

Let's assume it happens. Does this necessarily mean they go for BPA at 5? I'd be wary of saying yes to that.

The reason being this - end value can be found later. Heck, they can look for end in the 2nd or 3rd. Left tackle value, well, it thins out real quick, unless they chance it on Anthony Collins or Duane Brown, both of whom have questions. The interesting thing in all this would be DT, where Ellis might tempt. This also frees them up to go for a QB earlier.

I think this allows them to look at DE or DT, and even Matt Ryan, at 5. But I can still see them reaching for a LT and then working to fill out the other spots later.
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so if they trade him for a draft pick....theyre still going to need a DE and will have to address it with a draft pick.

so why not just pay him his money? DEs of his caliber don't grow on trees.
1. He doesn't want to sign with KC and has said so repeatedly, and

2. He's one incident away from getting a one year suspension due to his prior DUIs.
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I really think this thread could be in the draft forum, or at least, a thread on said ramifications.

Anyhow, this is an interesting potential move. The three teams mentioned (Vikings, Buccaneers, Jaguars) are all mid-late first.

Let's assume it happens. Does this necessarily mean they go for BPA at 5? I'd be wary of saying yes to that.

The reason being this - end value can be found later. Heck, they can look for end in the 2nd or 3rd. Left tackle value, well, it thins out real quick, unless they chance it on Anthony Collins or Duane Brown, both of whom have questions. The interesting thing in all this would be DT, where Ellis might tempt. This also frees them up to go for a QB earlier.

I think this allows them to look at DE or DT, and even Matt Ryan, at 5. But I can still see them reaching for a LT and then working to fill out the other spots later.
I honestly believe the plan was BPA even before this move. It just isn't practical to reach for an OT at 5 when there isn't much of a difference between the top four or five guys outside of Jake Long.

By adding a pick at 17 or 20, they can go BPA in the 1st and then get a guy like Otah or Williams with the 2nd 1st round pick to fill the OT hole.
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Carl Peterson has made some STUPID decisions during his time as the Chiefs GM, but if we actually traded arguably our best player and cornerstone of our defense, it will take the f'ing cake.

I know we're in rebuilding mode, but our defense is finally starting to show promise, and Jared Allen is one of, if not THE, biggest reason for this change. He's young (26), very skilled at the DE position, and is going to play for at least 7 or 8 more years.

Trading him would be a very, very big mistake.
Let's say the Chiefs get a 1st and a 3rd from him. Let's say the Vikings, as they have said extra third and are the highest rumored team.

That would give the Chiefs, and let's say the Chiefs get the early 3rd (Denver's). That gives the Chiefs, in the first 3 rounds, 5, 17, 35, 66, 73. That's a heck of a lot of talent that can be added to help the Chiefs rebuild faster. Yes, Allen is dominant, but the Chiefs have holes right now.

For Peterson, this does give him the flexibility of going QB early if he wants to.
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I honestly believe the plan was BPA even before this move. It just isn't practical to reach for an OT at 5 when there isn't much of a difference between the top four or five guys outside of Jake Long.

By adding a pick at 17 or 20, they can go BPA in the 1st and then get a guy like Otah or Williams with the 2nd 1st round pick to fill the OT hole.
If that's the way it works out, then yes, that would be ideal. But there's a very solid possibility that the top 5 OL guys are off before 17, leaving guys like Cherilus, Brown, Collins, Baker, the latter three huge reaches at 17.
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1. He doesn't want to sign with KC and has said so repeatedly, and

2. He's one incident away from getting a one year suspension due to his prior DUIs.
He has cleaned up his act since the DUIs.
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Let's say the Chiefs get a 1st and a 3rd from him. Let's say the Vikings, as they have said extra third and are the highest rumored team.

That would give the Chiefs, and let's say the Chiefs get the early 3rd (Denver's). That gives the Chiefs, in the first 3 rounds, 5, 17, 35, 66, 73. That's a heck of a lot of talent that can be added to help the Chiefs rebuild faster. Yes, Allen is dominant, but the Chiefs have holes right now.

For Peterson, this does give him the flexibility of going QB early if he wants to.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, and we could do a lot with those picks, but we all know how getting pressure is really important in this league. Look at the Giants last year, perfect example. Getting pressure is key and right now we have someone that can challenge for the sack title each year.

The extra picks would help a lot, I just think trading away the most important part of our defense to get them is a mistake.
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If that's the way it works out, then yes, that would be ideal. But there's a very solid possibility that the top 5 OL guys are off before 17, leaving guys like Cherilus, Brown, Collins, Baker, the latter three huge reaches at 17.
That is certainly a possibility, but I think the odds are in KC's favor that at least one of the top five is there at 17.

If not, then you take BPA again at 17. KC needs help just about everywhere.
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He has cleaned up his act since the DUIs.
So he says, and all it takes is one more mistake. Plus, he just opened a new bar - I'm sure he'll be able to avoid temptations, right?

Sorry, but I'm not comfortable giving $30+ mill to a guy that is such a high-risk.
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They're going "BPA" at five whether Allen is traded or not. Period.
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So he says, and all it takes is one more mistake. Plus, he just opened a new bar - I'm sure he'll be able to avoid temptations, right?

Sorry, but I'm not comfortable giving $30+ mill to a guy that is such a high-risk.
Well that's where we differ.DE's like Jared do not just grow on trees.trading him will set us back another 5-10 years
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If Minnesota could land him for a 1st and a 3rd, they should jump all over this. Allen is a tremendous player.
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Well that's where we differ.DE's like Jared do not just grow on trees.trading him will set us back another 5-10 years
I know he is a great player, but losing a DE will not set your team back 10 years no matter how good he is.
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Allen will be better then every DE coming out of this draft so I do not hesitate to give the Chiefs what they are asking for. The Williams and Allen would make a dominate D Line.
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