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Old 04-17-2008, 01:30 PM    (permalink
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Let's say the Chiefs get a 1st and a 3rd from him. Let's say the Vikings, as they have said extra third and are the highest rumored team.

That would give the Chiefs, and let's say the Chiefs get the early 3rd (Denver's). That gives the Chiefs, in the first 3 rounds, 5, 17, 35, 66, 73. That's a heck of a lot of talent that can be added to help the Chiefs rebuild faster. Yes, Allen is dominant, but the Chiefs have holes right now.

For Peterson, this does give him the flexibility of going QB early if he wants to.

If that were the deal it would give the Chiefs the flexibilty to take a Ryan or a Brohm with one of those two number ones and still get the OL they have been talking about. They have been talking about liking Jordy Nelson so they could gamble he's there early in round 3 or take him at 35. I like Allen but i think he can be replaced. Remember he was a 4th round pick himself.
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The Chiefs are a team without an identity. We were starting to get one with our defense. It was actually getting quite good, but I don't see how this can be anything but bad for a struggling team. It might not set our team back 5-10 years but it will definitely set our defense back a long way. Like T-Rich said, players of Jared Allens caliber don't grow on trees.

No matter what we get (1st and 2nd, 1st and 3rd) I think we're making a mistake in letting him go. It never should have gotten to this point. The franchise tag should not have been used. He should have been signed to a long term deal.

Long live "King" Carl.
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Wow, if the Vikings get Allen, that would be pretty sick. I mean, any defensive end the Vikings would get with that first would be no where comparable to Allen. At least, not for a few years, and if then, they could just bust.

Really sounds like this deal is going to get done too. Props to the Vikings, or the Bucs (though they seem to be on the outside looking in now) if they get a deal done.
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chad johnson for jared allen?
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chad johnson for jared allen?
I don't know why the Chiefs would want Chad Johnson if they're rebuilding.
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wishful thinking bro. If that happened i would literally jump for joy.
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I would easily trade the Jags 1st and both thirds for Allen....hopefully this happens...
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Woooooohoooo hope this happens. If there's one player in the league who just flat out beats Marcus McNeill, it's Jared Allen.
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If this trade Happens Carl needs to leave KC immediatley for his opwn safety.you do NOT trade a preimere defensive end for unknowns it's just dumb in every sense
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I think it will take 1st and 2nd pick to land Allen. Many teams will be intrested.
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I think it will take 1st and 2nd pick to land Allen. Many teams will be intrested.
I hope it's at least a first and second. To get anything less for a (the) premiere pass rusher is just stupid.
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I hope it's at least a first and second. To get anything less for a (the) premiere pass rusher is just stupid.
exactly a 1st and 2nd this year and maybe a player or a pick in '09
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Allen will be better then every DE coming out of this draft so I do not hesitate to give the Chiefs what they are asking for. The Williams and Allen would make a dominate D Line.
he will be better and already is developed. i dont see how any of the mentioned teams would hesitate strongly.
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If the chiefs trade him for the vike's 1st and 3rd anyone think they'll put their 5th overall pick on block for less, trying to trade back into the 10-14 range to grab one of the top 5 OL and get as many picks as possible. Could help them get young fast. Build up the oline and D, then grab a QB like Brohm in the second or wait til next year.

If they can end day one with Clady/Williams, Harvey, Brohm and one of the day one corners I think they'd be in a much better spot.
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I saw on startribune.com that the rumor is 2009 1st and 2nd round picks and I would have to think a pick or 2 from this year.

I know Crazy_Chris said 1st and 2nd of Next year and 2nd this year which would fine by me. I dont know how Chief fans would be for that but Vikings need Allen. So Give up alot to gain alot.
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1st and 2nd NEXT year? I really hope not.

The Vikings could have a lower pick in the 1st next year as it looks like they're becoming decent and might even make the playoffs. Would rather have the 17th this year than the 20th or lower next.
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I saw on startribune.com that the rumor is 2009 1st and 2nd round picks and I would have to think a pick or 2 from this year.

I know Crazy_Chris said 1st and 2nd of Next year and 2nd this year which would fine by me. I dont know how Chief fans would be for that but Vikings need Allen. So Give up alot to gain alot.

It better be at least a 1st and 2nd THIS YEAR.Allen should net us a couple picks this year and one next year
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If he gets traded I will be a free agent looking for a new team to cheer on

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1st and 2nd NEXT year? I really hope not.

The Vikings could have a lower pick in the 1st next year as it looks like they're becoming decent and might even make the playoffs. Would rather have the 17th this year than the 20th or lower next.
Yeah, but you never know. It's the parity league and you might end up with a top ten pick in 2009.
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Draft Day Trade? I guess if Harvey and Williams are gone I would be all for trading the 1st and 3rd and a next year pick for Allen.
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And we might end up with the 28th pick next year. Which would also mean a late late second round pick as well, which would be really bad value for a player like Jared Allen.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. I hate Carl Peterson.
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Micheal Smith on ESPN Special right now said that he thinks that the Chiefs will get the 17th pick in this draft and something else for Allen from the Vikings.
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If it's anything but first and second this year, we got screwed hard.
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adrian Peterson, 1st rounder, EJ Henderson for Jared Allen :)
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17th overall pick and Bryant McKinnie!
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