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Old 04-17-2008, 04:04 PM    (permalink
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For the Vikes, it's a bit more understandable why they wouldn't want to give up two firsts. As much as people want to predict them doing well, they could easily stagnate or go backwards.

But if the Jags can stick their head in, I think it's well worth it for them to try and offer something, even if it's a poison pill type deal.

Did the station indicate the breakdown of the deal the Vikes are offering? I'd be more intrigued with that, although 8/71 is a heck of a deal for Jared.
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Jovan Haye doesn't make that much sense for the Chiefs. They have a similar player in McBride, and they might as well see what McBride can offer than dealing for Haye.
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Did the station indicate the breakdown of the deal the Vikes are offering? I'd be more intrigued with that, although 8/71 is a heck of a deal for Jared.
Nope, that was the only info at this point.
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i really hope the vikes get him
a first this year and a 2nd or 3rd next year would be awesome
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From the Chiefs page:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2008/04...e_jared_allen/

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“We will confirm that we have been in conversation with a few teams regarding the possibility of acquiring Jared Allen’s contractual rights. Any potential agreement would be contingent on the Chiefs receiving appropriate compensation and Jared’s representative reaching a contract agreement.

“Jared is not an exclusive franchise player. Therefore, based on the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, he has the right to visit and negotiate with other teams. However, for any trade to be completed, the Chiefs would need to reach an agreement on compensation. At this point, all of these discussions are preliminary.”

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i really hope the vikes get him
a first this year and a 2nd or 3rd next year would be awesome
That isn't near what he's worth. Not even close. Come on.
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Jovan Haye doesn't make that much sense for the Chiefs. They have a similar player in McBride, and they might as well see what McBride can offer than dealing for Haye.
I would think Greg White would make more sense in the trade. That way the Chiefs get a DE in return plus the picks.
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1. He doesn't want to sign with KC and has said so repeatedly.
That isn't true but hey whatever, there isn't anything wrong with making crap up.
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Greg White probably doesn't make much sense for the Chiefs considering his age.
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Did you not understand what he just said? Allen doesn't want to sign a contract here, so he would be leaving in a year anyways. By trading him we're getting something back in return instead of holding our junk next offseason.
Except that isn't true. He has never said he would not sign a contract here. He said he will never sign a contract here if he plays this year under the franchise tender. If a long term contract was reached before the season then he wouldn't be playing under the franchise tender.

Allen has said he would sign a contract if the money was right.
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LOL, okay kid.
I heard Jared Allen say himself on 810 WHB in Kansas City that he would sign a contract if the money was right but that he would never sign a long term contract if he had to play a down as the franchise player. So go ahead and "LOL, okay kid" me but what you keep saying is NOT true.
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Except that isn't true. He has never said he would not sign a contract here. He said he will never sign a contract here if he plays this year under the franchise tender. If a long term contract was reached before the season then he wouldn't be playing under the franchise tender.

Allen has said he would sign a contract if the money was right.
He wants a Freeney-type contract, which is absurd given the high risks involved in giving him a long-term deal. Pat Kirwan has also stated that Allen told him he wants out of KC because the team is rebuilding and he wants to be with a team that can win a championship during his prime.

Given his frustration with our rebuilding efforts and the fact we won't give him an elite long-term deal, I think it's fair to say that he does not want to stay in KC. Disagree on semantics if you'd like, but he's certainly not begging Carl not to trade him.
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The Panthers would be foolish not to go all out for a trade.
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I think it's safe to say that the Panthers have bigger needs than signing another DE to an enormous deal. You have a freak already on your team, sign HIM while he's cheap and coming off a bad year instead of having to pay him more money than Freeney after he gets double digit sacks this year again.
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I would much rather deal with the Panthers. They have a high enough pick that we could ensure one of the good tackles falls to us.

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So uhhh yeah Detroit should maybe look into this. We have the highest first rounder.
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They should talk to Cincy about Chad Johnson, they need a player opposite of Bowe.
Kansas City gets:
- Chad Johnson
- 9th Pick Overall (draft Albert or Clady, which ever one falls)
- 3rd or 4th Round Pick

Cincinnati Bengals:
- Jared Allen
- 5th Pick Overall (draft Sedrick Ellis)
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They should talk to Cincy about Chad Johnson, they need a player opposite of Bowe.
Kansas City gets:
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- 3rd or 4th Round Pick

Cincinnati Bengals:
- Jared Allen
- 5th Pick Overall (draft Sedrick Ellis)
No. Just no.
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I heard Jared Allen say himself on 810 WHB in Kansas City that he would sign a contract if the money was right but that he would never sign a long term contract if he had to play a down as the franchise player. So go ahead and "LOL, okay kid" me but what you keep saying is NOT true.
Yes, but he's asking for too much money! He's not going to sign a reasonable contract
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Really a side note, but all this KC and WR talk is a bit blown out of proportion. Yes, they need another target, but unless Bowe regresses, they need a 2 or a 3 to Bowe's lead target. Moreover, they were high on Jeff Webb, and he showed some improvement. Certainly, a WR will be added, and considering it's Chan Gailey, probably a guy with some size, but I'm not sure if they need to make a high move for a WR, whether it be for a veteran, or spending a first or 2nd round pick on one.
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I don't they should trade Allen he is their best player and they can not afford to lose him.
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I think it's a bit late. I find it hard to believe the Chiefs match 8 years for 71 million. He's gone I think. I hope we can rebuild fast or the next two or three years are going to be painful to watch as a Chiefs fan.
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Greg White probably doesn't make much sense for the Chiefs considering his age.
Well he is three years older than Allen, but he's coming off a pretty decent year with 8 sacks and 7 FF as one of a few rotating DEs. Seems like there would be some benefit to getting a DE in return.
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