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Old 04-17-2008, 05:51 PM    (permalink
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Ravens or Packers, i think he would be scary in the Ravens system, next to Kampman
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haha, I WANT CARL TO BE GM OF THE CHIEFS FOREVER!

Allen is gone it seems, and probably will be a 1st and a 3rd.
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Bad value. He's worth more. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
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He has cleaned up his act since the DUIs.
So did Koren Robinson. Then the Vikes gave him a decent sized contract.

Look how that turned out.
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Yes, but he's asking for too much money! He's not going to sign a reasonable contract
Other teams are willing to pay him the money. If somebody is willing to pay the money then it is not too much money.

The Chiefs are cheap, simple as that. What happens if Dwayne Bowe continues to improve and becomes a pro bowl wide receiver? Are we just going to let him walk when he asks to be paid like one of the best at his position? What happens if Derrick Johnson finally puts it all together and has a pro bowl type year? Are we going to let him walk when he asks to be paid like one of the best at his position?

This team makes it way to hard to keep their own players. We screwed the pooch big time on this one. Should have traded LJ and kept Allen. Most fans don't like LJ very much (i'm not one of them) and we give him close to $20 million guaranteed. But then when fan favorite Jared Allen asks for his money we treat him like this? I would want out of town too if I were him.
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So did Koren Robinson. Then the Vikes gave him a decent sized contract.

Look how that turned out.
Well, it got him out of Minnesota and into Green Bay, so from his perspective, that couldn't have worked out any better.
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Bad value. He's worth more. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
Worth more? Based on what? Your opinion?
He had an amazing year last year, but he still has a year or 8 game suspension looming over his head if anything happens.
Plus, looking at previous trades, he isn't going to get much more than a 1st and 3rd. Chiefs might get a 1st and 2nd, but I don't see it much more than that.
If you expect to get like 3 1sts or whatever, keep dreaming.
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I never said anything close to 3 1st rounders, so I'm not sure where you got that. I was talking 1st and 3rd this year and a conditional next year or a 1st and 2nd this year.

And based on the fact that he led the league in sacks last year, is only 26, has a non stop motor and will be a factor in every play the team runs on defense (and some on offense, as he caught two TD passes last year in the red zone). The guy can do it all.

And I might be homering it up a bit, but whoever trades for him is going to get one heck of a football player from day one.
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Way to go Peterson, just trade Allen to the Vikings. If Allen lands with the Vikings, that is going to be one sick D-line. Sucks for my Packers.
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Other teams are willing to pay him the money. If somebody is willing to pay the money then it is not too much money.

The Chiefs are cheap, simple as that. What happens if Dwayne Bowe continues to improve and becomes a pro bowl wide receiver? Are we just going to let him walk when he asks to be paid like one of the best at his position? What happens if Derrick Johnson finally puts it all together and has a pro bowl type year? Are we going to let him walk when he asks to be paid like one of the best at his position?

This team makes it way to hard to keep their own players. We screwed the pooch big time on this one. Should have traded LJ and kept Allen. Most fans don't like LJ very much (i'm not one of them) and we give him close to $20 million guaranteed. But then when fan favorite Jared Allen asks for his money we treat him like this? I would want out of town too if I were him.
Do you know how much he's asking? Hell no. I'll leave it up to the Front Office...I've honestly grown really tired of all the Chiefs fans whining whenever something doesn't go how the fans would like them to...We've been spoiled the last decade by always competing for a playoff spot, but then everyone whines about Carl Peterson using too many veteran players to plug up holes...Then whenever he tries to rebuild with younger players, everyone bitches and moans because we're going to have a couple of losing seasons...Stop acting like you know what goes on in the Front Office because you don't...Peterson gets way too bad of a rep. because frankly he's a hands-off GM. Just because he doesn't want to bet on one player, Jared Allen, maintaing his success and staying out of trouble, doesn't mean that 'OMGZZ CARL PETRSON SUCKZZ'..

You act like if we have JA, we'll compete for a championship...We have way too many needs to invest soo much money in one player with a sketchy history...It's pretty apparent that if we want to keep Allen, we'll have to pay far more than other teams that might compete

So if you want to sign ONE player to a 80 million-ish deal while the rest of our team sucks ass, then you sir, with all due respect, need a reality check [/rant]
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I'm actually pretty happy we're rebuilding with younger players through the draft. I think it's the right move.

But I would still hate to see Jared leave.
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He will not get more than a first. Fans overrate their players, ask Falcons fans who thought DeAngelo was worth a top 20 pick and more.
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He will not get more than a first. Fans overrate their players, ask Falcons fans who thought DeAngelo was worth a top 20 pick and more.
The Vikings were already rumored to be offering more than a first. Granted, it's a rumor, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility.
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He will not get more than a first. Fans overrate their players, ask Falcons fans who thought DeAngelo was worth a top 20 pick and more.
You're wrong to be frank
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I'll believe it when I see it. I would say a first, maybe a 5th with it, is the most he will get.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I would say a first, maybe a 5th with it, is the most he will get.
Ummm I beg to differ as well. Time will tell.
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Well don't you guys sound like Falcons fans a few months ago! I think he gets a first round pick, because the Vikings are at a bad spot for defensive ends and they need a veteran, but much more than that I doubt. John Abraham a few years ago only got a late first round pick.
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We'll see what happens. Realistically I think we get more than a first and fifth, but only time will tell. If they are properly compensated, I expect this deal done soon.
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John Abraham isn't close to the player that Allen is. Abraham had already started to slip a little and Allen is entering his prime. The difference between this and the Hall trade talks is that is was only homer Falcon fans who were saying Hall would get a top 10 pick at the least and in this case everyone seems to agree that it will take a top 20 pick to start.
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My understanding was that it was for a first and a third. The Vikes have two third rounders. Maybe the Vikes would like that toned down to a first and a fourth or fifth.

Or a conditional pick next year.
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John Abraham isn't close to the player that Allen is. Abraham had already started to slip a little and Allen is entering his prime. The difference between this and the Hall trade talks is that is was only homer Falcon fans who were saying Hall would get a top 10 pick at the least and in this case everyone seems to agree that it will take a top 20 pick to start.
Another ignorant person. Most said a pick in the 20s for Hall, unless the person speaking was dumb. Not to mention he is a top three cornerback.

Abraham was not close? Abraham was 27 and coming off of a 10.5 sack year. In his past 35 games he had 25.5 sacks, 49 sacks in his last 67 games. That is pretty damn good. I'm not sure how he had began to slip. In his last 61 games Allen has 43 sacks. Six less games, six less sacks. Abraham wins out there. Allen is better against the run but the difference is not near what you say it is.
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Another ignorant person. Most said a pick in the 20s for Hall, unless the person speaking was dumb. Not to mention he is a top three cornerback.
I think you just proved you're "ignorant" if you think that is a correct statement.

The NFL sack leader will surly demand more that a single first rounder and 5th.
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I think you just proved you're "ignorant" if you think that is a correct statement.

The NFL sack leader will surly demand more that a single first rounder and 5th.
Glad you are going off of 2006, not 2007. Again, if you do not know what you are talking about, then be quiet. I might be wrong on Allen, but people downing Hall because of his horribe 2006 is getting old.
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If they are talking about picks in this draft, I would say it will be a first rounder and a third rounder. That seems to be the going rate. And there seems to be quite a bit of demand of Allen so that will work to the Chiefs advantage.
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Glad you are going off of 2006, not 2007. Again, if you do not know what you are talking about, then be quiet. I might be wrong on Allen, but people downing Hall because of his horribe 2006 is getting old.
Hmmm.... show me where I mentioned 2006? If you're going to insinuate things to make your argument appear correct, "then be quiet". D. Hall is not a top three CB in the national football league, and it's hardly "ignorant" to say he's not.
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