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The draft question-Best player or need?

I have been roving around the team sites, as draft weekend is approaching.

I have several friends coming over for the draft, and everyone talks about needs.

I seem to be in the minority, in that I think most of the time it is better for a team to draft best player available. The only time I would disagree (and even then, I have reservations) is when a team can legitamately compete for the superbowl. When I say that, I am talking about a team that is widely regarded as a top team in their respective conference.

Generally, I think a team is better off taking the best player available. Here is MY logic:

1)-In a few years if you draft best player available, you have a tradeable commodity.

2)-A team can always use a good player, even if it is not a position of need.

3)-No one can tell who might get injured throughout a season.

There are more arguements, and I would like to hear them. For my favorite team, drafting for need has not worked out well (Carpenter, Spears, ect.)


So...can I get some opinions? Is drafting for need overrated?????
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personally i am more fond of taking BPA to an extent. theres alway a couple positions on most teams where you just dont consider drafting. but as a hole im more for bpa.
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It is always a mixture of philosophies IMHO. I say you take the player that is most better than the one you've got starting at the position the prospect is playing.
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I go subscribe to the Hybird philosophy where you draft the BPA that fits your top 5 needs
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BPA....if you need a CB and DRC is available but DMAC is also there....you have to take DMAC...
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I heard there is a rumor that the Chargers might take a RB to replace Turner in the first round like a week ago but I havent heard anything since so I dont know.

I say if your sitting there with McFadden there and You have LT you still take him, That would be a Sick Duo. So I still say BPA on Day One.
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BPA has always been the theory I went by, but to a certain extent.
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Yup. BPA might be a CB, but that might be top need #4. It's still a need, so fill it with the BPA.
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I don't think you can go with either one PERMANENTLY. Say McFadden falls to where the Vikings are. He would obviously be the BPA, but there's no way that they should pick him.

Say D-Mac is there at 7 for the Pats(with no dire needs), then they would be crazy not to take him.

It really depends on who you think you can take later to fill a need. The Packers took Harrell last year when most people wanted a TE or RB. But it all was good in Cheesetown.

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Well, since the BPA in this draft IMO is Darren McFadden, and now the Rams can have any1 not named Jake Long, we should take him then? **** no, thats moronic. We are a 3-13 team with a tremendous running back, and we have a defense that ranks near the bottom every year, so we got to go defense. I'm a needy guy. That sounds ****** up.
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you can not pass on DMAC even if you have LT...this is a two back league now...LT is more of a physical runner DMAC is the more finesse runner...they would compliment each other well, IMO.
I always thought LT was a quick guy who usually avoided contact instead of getting that extra yard. I dont think LT is a physical guy.
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I guess I meant to say more between the tackles...they'd still be a badass duo...
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Drafting BPA worked out for Minnesota last year with AD, but drafting for Need helped out Cleveland very well with Thomas as well. It's a crap shoot, just do what you feel is best for YOUR team and hopefully everything will turn out alright. That's all you can really do, and pray.
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Yeah then you run smack dab in the problem that Matt Millen is in right now. You ignored your needs for "The BPA" lets not kid ourselves popular opinion at the time was that Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson were BPA. Two busted now you have 2 WRs making truck loads of money and you can't afford them both. Imagine that with a RB. You have LT and DMAC both commanding a huge chunk of your cap space. You are boned at the rest of your positions. That is why you use the Hybrid approach the player that improves your team the most. Yes you do get that rare Michael Jordan, Sam Bowie situation and you lose out using the safe method.
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BPA doesn't always work...For instance, McFadden could of been the BPA for Miami, yet that pick wouldnt make sense...I can go down the list of teams who have been taking skill positions at pretty positions, yet dont address the trenches, and you never even reap the benefits of those picks...So that BPA strategy has to come with a disclaimer...


Also certain picks have a premium and others dont, its easy to find a RB, so even though McFadden might be your BPA, do you take him over say a Dorsey, since impact DT's are much harder to come by? Of course not, you have to use a little bit of need into your BPA theory for it to make sense.
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Yeah then you run smack dab in the problem that Matt Millen is in right now. You ignored your needs for "The BPA" lets not kid ourselves popular opinion at the time was that Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson were BPA. Two busted now you have 2 WRs making truck loads of money and you can't afford them both. Imagine that with a RB. You have LT and DMAC both commanding a huge chunk of your cap space. You are boned at the rest of your positions. That is why you use the Hybrid approach the player that improves your team the most. Yes you do get that rare Michael Jordan, Sam Bowie situation and you lose out using the safe method.
I am not trying to be a jerk here, I promise. But...

What if you are in, "That rare Michael Jordan, Sam Bowie situation..."

If you miss out on Michael Jordan, people are still talking about it 25 years later...Thats all I'm sayin...people know who drafted Michael Jordan. What everyone wants to know 25 years later is, "Who passed on him."

25 years is a long time. I would agree there are exceptions to every rule. But if you are trying to justify taking a need player over best player, I would not bring up Michael Jordan. Thats all I'm sayin...
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I am not trying to be a jerk here, I promise. But...

What if you are in, "That rare Michael Jordan, Sam Bowie situation..."

If you miss out on Michael Jordan, people are still talking about it 25 years later...Thats all I'm sayin...people know who drafted Michael Jordan. What everyone wants to know 25 years later is, "Who passed on him."

25 years is a long time. I would agree there are exceptions to every rule. But if you are trying to justify taking a need player over best player, I would not bring up Michael Jordan. Thats all I'm sayin...
Yeah if I was trying to win the argument that I didn't believe in then yeah I'd keep out the Jordan situation. But I believe in the method where you always pick the best improvement to your starting lineup. The Jordan scenario is the only one where the method breaks down. We have Clyde Drexler
(who is also a HOF player BTW) so lets pass on MJ. So yeah Sam Bowie may suck in comparison to MJ but what would MJ do sitting on the bench behinde Clyde Drexler for the first 4/5 years of his career?
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