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Old 04-25-2008, 03:00 PM    (permalink
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I think Greg White needs to do it for more than a single season before he warrants a raise. At this point Michael Clayton can wears gloves on his feet instead of shoes and it won't hurt his career.

I agree with ETK, Clayton can be good again but I don't see it happening in Tampa. Alot of his struggles seems to be due to a lack of confidence/focus which is only componded by Gruden. Who knows gloves on his feet might help him gets some of his mojo back.
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lito is a terrible fit in the cover 2...this makes no sense at all for tampa.
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I would LOVE this deal...That's one team in front of Dallas who doesn't need to take Mike Jenkins, and Tamps is who I thought would get him anyway...Go Tampa.
It would also add one more... Philly
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Saints Enter the Lito Shuffle

We are apparently offering our 2nd round pick which is a much higher pick than the Bucs are offering (their 2nd rounder).
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Saints Enter the Lito Shuffle

We are apparently offering our 2nd round pick which is a much higher pick than the Bucs are offering (their 2nd rounder).
I rather switch first rounders with the Eagles plus Lito.
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the st. louis rams maybe an outsider looking at Lito
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id loove to see baltimore take a run at him...he would give us an immediate upgrade over samari rolle. id give our 2nd rounder for him, which is higer then the saints and bucs (i think). id also be welcome to a deal where we swapped picks with the eagles and got lito out of it. thatd be even better. however i dont think it will happen.
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so true, I'm stuck with listening to it on the radio or on the net (stupid NHL playoffs, only time you'll hear me saying that)
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Canadian_kid16: I believe the draft will be streamed on NFL.com
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haha could be a sad day for Bucs fans...
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I could see this trade going down, but giving up Jovan Haye and Greg White is completely stupid. Haye has a lot of potential at under tackle in our system and giving him away would leave a huge gap on the starting line. He isn't going anywhere in my opinion. I think the same can be said about Greg White. He had 8 sacks as a back-up, not too mention a ton of fumbles.
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Personally can't wait for Lito to be traded. As a Cowboys fan and a Gators fan, it's hard to root against an ex-Gator. Plus, he usually picks us off eight times a game and takes three of em back for touchdowns. Seems like it anyway....
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I could see this trade going down, but giving up Jovan Haye and Greg White is completely stupid. Haye has a lot of potential at under tackle in our system and giving him away would leave a huge gap on the starting line. He isn't going anywhere in my opinion. I think the same can be said about Greg White. He had 8 sacks as a back-up, not too mention a ton of fumbles.
Yeah Haye has a lot of potential in our system, but that's on top of what he's already proven himself capable of. Greg White has "it" as a pass rusher and we need at least 2 capable edge rushers to have an effective defense. Kevin Carter and Marques Douglas won't cut it opposite Adams on passing downs.

Even a 2nd rounder or Haye as individual options would suck. Haye is young, loaded with potential and has already proven himself to be one of the top pass rushing DTs in the game. Sheppard is a good corner, but he's older than Haye and less valuable in our defense. Good Cover 2 corners grow on trees, but good pass rushing interior linemen come once or twice a year. Our FO has proven itself capable of finding good corners in the 2nd round or later, so why would we give up a 2nd rounder and a young, established player for a 27 year old corner that has never played in our system? I trust our FO to be able to find a good young corner in the draft, but they'll have a VERY tough time finding a replacement for Haye or White.

No matter which way you put it, this trade blows and shows that Gruden & Allen are just trying to make a big splash by trading for a big-name player to raise interest for the team. What pisses me off the most is that they should be on the phones trying to work a deal for one of the disgruntled receivers instead of trying to add a damn corner.
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Yeah Haye has a lot of potential in our system, but that's on top of what he's already proven himself capable of. Greg White has "it" as a pass rusher and we need at least 2 capable edge rushers to have an effective defense. Kevin Carter and Marques Douglas won't cut it opposite Adams on passing downs.

Even a 2nd rounder or Haye as individual options would suck. Haye is young, loaded with potential and has already proven himself to be one of the top pass rushing DTs in the game. Sheppard is a good corner, but he's older than Haye and less valuable in our defense. Good Cover 2 corners grow on trees, but good pass rushing interior linemen come once or twice a year. Our FO has proven itself capable of finding good corners in the 2nd round or later, so why would we give up a 2nd rounder and a young, established player for a 27 year old corner that has never played in our system? I trust our FO to be able to find a good young corner in the draft, but they'll have a VERY tough time finding a replacement for Haye or White.

No matter which way you put it, this trade blows and shows that Gruden & Allen are just trying to make a big splash by trading for a big-name player to raise interest for the team. What pisses me off the most is that they should be on the phones trying to work a deal for one of the disgruntled receivers instead of trying to add a damn corner.
I completely agree.

Could I see the Buccaneers offering a straight up draft pick? Sure, it is definitely a possibility.

But to mortgage our D-Line, which is crucial to the success of the defense as a whole, would be downright stupid.
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I do not understand why the Bucs want to trade Haye so badly, or why they want Lito, he would not fit in the cover 2 at all.
A package of a second and Haye would be a bit much imo. Including Clayton in the deal instead of Haye would seem just about right.
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What pisses me off the most is that they should be on the phones trying to work a deal for one of the disgruntled receivers instead of trying to add a damn corner.
think we could make a run for chad johnson?
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think we could make a run for chad johnson?
Absolutely. Or Roy Williams, or Anquan Boldin, but once pick 20 is over and done with we have no shot for any of them.
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