Roster/contracts/needs

Geo · 04-29-2008, 04:30 PM

2009 Colts roster
Included for each player is the last year of the current contract

Quarterback
Peyton Manning (2010)
Jim Sorgi (2010)
Curtis Painter (2012)

Runningback
Joseph Addai (2010)
Donald Brown (2013)
Mike Hart (?)
Chad Simpson (?)

Wide Receiver
Reggie Wayne (2011)
Anthony Gonzalez (2011)
Pierre Garcon (2011)
Austin Collie (2012)
Hank Baskett (2009)

Tight End
Dallas Clark (2013)
Gijon Robinson (2010)
Jacob Tamme (2011)

Offensive Line
Charlie Johnson (2009)
Ryan Lilja (2012)
Jeff Saturday (2011)
Mike Pollak (2011)
Ryan Diem (2011)
Tony Ugoh (2010)
Dan Federkeil (2009)
Jamey Richard (2011)
Kyle DeVan (2010)

Defensive End
Dwight Freeney (2012)
Robert Mathis (2011)
Raheem Brock (2010)
Keyunta Dawson (2010)

Defensive Tackle
Antonio Johnson (2009)
Eric Foster (2010)
Daniel Muir (2009)
Fili Moala (2012)

Linebacker
Clint Session (2010)
Gary Brackett (2009)
Tyjuan Hagler (2009)
Freddy Keiaho (2009)
Philip Wheeler (2011)
Ramon Humber (2011)

Cornerback
Kelvin Hayden (2013)
Jerraud Powers (2012)
Marlin Jackson (2009)
Jacob Lacey (2011)
Tim Jennings (2009)
TJ Rushing (2009)

Safety
Bob Sanders (2012)
Antoine Bethea (2009)
Melvin Bullitt (2009)
Jamie Silva (2010)
Aaron Francisco (2009)

Special Teams
Pat McAfee (2012)
Adam Vinatieri (2010)
Justin Snow (2012)
Matt Stover (2009)

2010 Free Agency

Restricted FA
Melvin Bullitt
Antonio Johnson
Dan Federkeil
Daniel Muir

Unrestricted FA who become RFA in uncapped 2010
Hank Baskett
Antoine Bethea
Tyjuan Hagler
Marlin Jackson
Charlie Johnson
Tim Jennings
Freddy Keiaho
TJ Rushing

Unrestricted FA
Gary Brackett
Aaron Francisco

UKfan · 04-29-2008, 04:33 PM

Cutting Gandy would suck, I like him, and I think Roby has a chance over Garcon, but other than that, I like it.

Dam8610 · 04-29-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Geo

Bf51 has an awesome thread for the Bears, so I'll shrewdly swing from his nuts and copy the idea here.

Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi

Runningback (3) Joseph Addai, Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

Wide Receiver (6) Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Devin Aromashodu, Pierre Garcon

Tight end (3) Dallas Clark, Tom Santi, Jacob Tamme

Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Michael Toudouze

Interior OL (6) Jeff Saturday, Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Steve Justice, Charlie Johnson, Jamey Richard

Defensive end (4) Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Josh Thomas, Marcus Howard

Defensive tackle (6) Ed Johnson, Quinn Pitcock, Raheem Brock, Keyunta Dawson, Eric Foster, Darrell Reid

Linebacker (5) Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, Tyuan Hagler, Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session

Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Dante Hughes, Michael Coe, Tim Jennings, TJ Rushing

Safety (6) Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Matt Giordano, Melvin Bullitt, Brannon Condren, Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri, Justin Snow, Hunter Smith

Notable cuts
RB Clifton Dawson
RB Kenton Keith
FB Luke Lawton
WR Courtney Roby
TE Bryan Fletcher
OL Dylan Gandy
OL Corey Hilliard
DE Jeff Charleston
LB Ramon Guzman
LB Victor Worsley
CB Keiwan Ratliff

I think the RB2 and RB3 might be flipped, though both could see a lot of PT (for backups) if both prove themselves capable. I also think the Colts will keep another OT, maybe Hilliard? I'd be shocked if Gandy got cut over Johnson or Richard. Also, more LBs will be kept.

tylerb929 · 04-29-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UKfan

I think Roby has a chance over Garcon

I could see that based purely on the fact that Roby can't be on the practice squad and Garcon can.

Geo · 04-29-2008, 06:05 PM

Some points:

1. I definitely didn't like only having 5 linebackers, they do need more and in all likelihood will have more. But keeping a special teams ace like Silva, who could potentially take over at FS after Bethea, was too tempting for me. And I wouldn't cut maybe the team's best ST coverage guy in Darrell Reid, even if he is making 927K this season. I also would have put Texas CB Brandon Foster in if I could just find a space.

2. No Fletcher or Gandy. I don't want to see either go ... but both guys are restricted free agents (signed to $927K as well) who are experienced in the offense, I thought going with the cheaper rookies might be the better way to go. I'd love to trade Gandy to KC or another team for a late 09 draft pick.

3. Charlie Johnson not cut? No, he has good experience at tackle and can/will play inside, can come in as a blocking TE in goal-line packages. He needs to be kept ... for now. I hated cutting Hilliard, btw. I hope he uses this offseason to show the Colts he's their future RT.

4. Garcon over Roby. I loved the addition of Roby this offseason, I think he can take advantage of this opportunity and potentially explode. Hopefully he finally blossoms, now that he is in right situation, and makes the roster ... but it sounds like the team sees something in Garcon, and maybe it's risky trying to get him on the practice squad. I really hope both guys make it a great battle all through camps and preseason.

bearsfan_51 · 04-29-2008, 06:08 PM

My nuts were definately made for swinging.

bearsfan_51 · 04-29-2008, 06:08 PM

Any chance the Colts take back Dominic Rhodes?

Geo · 04-29-2008, 06:17 PM

John Clayton says they might if the price is right ... but I read it as more speculation from him, than anything substantial. I remember Dom Rhodes, just because Kenton Keith makes Dom Rhodes looks good doesn't mean Dom Rhodes is very good. He did his best coming off the bench, when starter Joseph Addai and the offense worn down opposing defenses a bit, in a Marion Barber role. High energy/fresh legs sort of thing, and I think he could/can still do that if the team did re-sign him. But I don't miss the guy being a servicable guy who will occassionally put the ball on the ground.

And I'd rather go with a tough, young runner like Simpson, who is very much like Rhodes, in the 5-9/215 mold with speed and can break some arm tackles running forward. Plus Simpson might be a kickoff return option, Polian couldn't help but mention him as a possibility there in today's presser.

But if a guy signs a cheap deal wanting to play with a contender, I can't say I wouldn't consider it.

Although honestly, I'd rather sign Rosie Colvin. I really hope the Colts sign him. And I'd love for Booger McFarland to heal up fully and the Colts sign him back, at a cheaper price.

RagingColt · 04-29-2008, 07:26 PM

I think if that would be the final roster for us this year that we would have more on the field talent than what we had in 2006. As for Dom, he was a great role player, but I'd rather see some new guys in at backup RB.

MaxV · 04-30-2008, 11:39 AM

My guess:

QB(2) - Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi

RB(4) - Joseph Addai, Mike Hart, Kenton Keith

WR(6) - Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Devin Aromashodu, Pierre Garcon

TE(3) - Dallas Clark, Jacob Tamme, Tom Santi

OT(4) - Tony Ugoh , Ryan Diem , Michael Toudouze, Daniel Federkeil

OG(3) - Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Dylan Gandy

OC(2) - Jeff Saturday, Steve Justice

DE(4) - Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Josh Thomas, Marcus Howard

DT(6) - Ed Johnson, Quinn Pitcock, Raheem Brock, Keyunta Dawson, Darrell Reid, Colin Ferrell

LB(5) - Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, Tyjuan Hagler, Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session, Ramon Guzman

CB(6) - Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Dante Hughes, Michael Coe, Tim Jennings, TJ Rushing

Safety(5) - Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Matt Giordano, Melvin Bullitt, Brannon Condren

ST(3) - Adam Vinatieri, Hunter Smith, Justin Snow

UKfan · 04-30-2008, 12:52 PM

I figure I'll give this a shot, even though I probably don't have as much knowledge as you guys

Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning, Jim Sorgi

Runningback (3) Joseph Addai, Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

Wide Receiver (6) Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Devin Aromashodu, Courteney Roby

Tight end (3) Dallas Clark (29-'13), Tom Santi, Jacob Tamme

Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh, Ryan Diem, Michael Toudouze

Interior OL (6) Jeff Saturday, Ryan Lilja, Mike Pollak, Steve Justice, Charlie Johnson, Dylan Gandy

Defensive end (4) Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Curtis Johnson, Marcus Howard

Defensive tackle (5) Ed Johnson, Quinn Pitcock, Raheem Brock, Keyunta Dawson, Eric Foster

Linebacker (6) Gary Brackett, Freddy Keiaho, Tyjuan Hagler, Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session, Ramon Guzman

Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Dante Hughes, Michael Coe, Tim Jennings, Brandon Foster

Safety (6) Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Matt Giordano, Melvin Bullitt, Brannon Condren, Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri, Justin Snow, Hunter Smith

Not much different to the 2 above, and obviously I stole Geo's format and just edited it a little to include who I wanted to.

MaxV · 05-01-2008, 11:24 AM

I hope Charlie Johnson is released. I know he's athletic, but his strength is well below-average for NFL OL.

We now have several talented OLs that deserve a roster space more then Johnson.

UKfan · 05-01-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaxV

I hope Charlie Johnson is released. I know he's athletic, but his strength is well below-average for NFL OL.

We now have several talented OLs that deserve a roster space more then Johnson.

I hope he is as well, but he's stuck around this long, I think he'll find a way onto the roster, maybe just for his versatility.

Geo · 05-01-2008, 11:51 AM

The team knows he's awful at tackle, given how much they talk about him at guard. Granted he might be one of the softer RGs in the league, but then that wouldn't be any different than having Jake Scott before. Johnson has experience at both tackle spots, which could help the roster, and I think he might have been injured last year so let's hope he's much better this season.

I hope Corey Hilliard beats him out, I think he has a better chance to get it done at RG and RT.

MaxV · 05-01-2008, 12:23 PM

I also hope that Federkeil makes the team.

He's one of the most athletic OLs on our roster (played as DE in CFL).

tylerb929 · 05-01-2008, 02:19 PM

Charlie Johnson wasn't a good left tackle, but he did pretty good at guard during the Super Bowl. I don't think its time to cut him just yet, its not like we drafted him for left tackle, anyway.

MaxV · 05-01-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tylerb929

Charlie Johnson wasn't a good left tackle, but he did pretty good at guard during the Super Bowl. I don't think its time to cut him just yet, its not like we drafted him for left tackle, anyway.

Unless I'm mistaken, Johnson played as RT during the Super Bowl.

Geo · 05-01-2008, 03:45 PM

Agreed, I do believe he stepped in for an injured Ryan Diem.

Hopefully Ryan Diem bounces back to have a good year, I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season with the Colts (otherwise), what with his salary increasing considering in the last few years of his current deal. And he's taken the mantle of stupid penalties, I'm pretty sure he had one against the Chargers that really hurt the team.

If the Colts spend a Day One pick on RT next year, then they'll have drafted (plus re-signing Lilja) their young, revamped OL in a three-year-period. An OL that can hopefully run-block and pass-block proficiently.

chad72 · 05-02-2008, 11:45 AM

I would just shift Charlie Johnson to the practice squad, put Dylan Gandy at OL and Curtis Johnson in at DE. Pierre Garcon is a project, in Polian's words. If he does not take over the KR role from T.J.Rushing, then he will be in the practice squad. If he does, I think T.J.Rushing will go to the practice squad. Here is my list, based on moving Dylan Gandy back for Charlie Johnson and Curtis Johnson back for Pierre Garcon. Besides, I feel there is no need for 6 WRs in the roster since we have enough TEs to run 2 TE plays more often.

Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning (32-'12), Jim Sorgi (27-'10)

Runningback (3) Joseph Addai (25-'10), Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

Wide Receiver (5) Marvin Harrison (36-'11), Reggie Wayne (29-'11), Anthony Gonzalez (23-'11), Roy Hall (24-'10), Devin Aromashodu (24-'09)

Tight end (3) Dallas Clark (29-'13), Tom Santi, Jacob Tamme

Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh (24-'10), Ryan Diem (29-'11), Michael Toudouze

Interior OL (6) Jeff Saturday (33-'08), Ryan Lilja (26-'12), Mike Pollak, Steve Justice, Dylan Gandy (OG), Jamey Richard

Defensive end (5) Dwight Freeney (28-'12), Robert Mathis (27-'10), Josh Thomas (27-'08), Marcus Howard, Curtis Johnson

Defensive tackle (6) Ed Johnson (24-'08**), Quinn Pitcock (24-'09*), Raheem Brock (30-'10), Keyunta Dawson (22-'10), Eric Foster, Darrell Reid (26-'08)

Linebacker (5) Gary Brackett (28-'09), Freddy Keiaho (25-'09), Tyjuan Hagler (26-'08), Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session (23-'10)

Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson (25-'09), Kelvin Hayden (25-'08), Dante Hughes (23-'10), Michael Coe (24-'10), Tim Jennings (24-'09), TJ Rushing (25-'09)

Safety (6) Bob Sanders (27-'12), Antoine Bethea (24-'09), Matt Giordano (25-'08), Melvin Bullitt (23-'09*), Brannon Condren (25-'10), Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri (35-'10), Justin Snow (31-'12), Hunter Smith (31-'09)

Practice Squad (8)
WR Pierre Garcon
RB Kenton Keith
TE Bryan Fletcher
RB Luke Lawton
LB Ramon Guzman
OL Corey Hilliard
OL Charlie Johnson
DE Jeff Charleston

tylerb929 · 05-02-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chad72

Practice Squad (8)
WR Pierre Garcon
RB Kenton Keith
TE Bryan Fletcher
RB Luke Lawton
LB Ramon Guzman
OL Corey Hilliard
OL Charlie Johnson
DE Jeff Charleston

If you've played a season in the NFL you can't be on the practice squad. Which eliminates, Kenton Keith, Bryan Fletcher, Luke Lawton, Ramon Guzman, Charlie Johnson, and Jeff Charleston.

Dam8610 · 05-02-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tylerb929

If you've played a season in the NFL you can't be on the practice squad. Which eliminates, Kenton Keith, Bryan Fletcher, Luke Lawton, Ramon Guzman, Charlie Johnson, and Jeff Charleston.

It's more than a season I think, but I'm not 100% sure. I remember hearing something about 3 years before though.

redviper311 · 05-03-2008, 12:41 PM

With the recent releases of Gandy, Fletcher and possible suspension of Marvin Harrison, Kenton Keith here is what my current pre-camp depth chart looks like.

Quarterback (2) Peyton Manning (32-'12), Jim Sorgi (27-'10)

Runningback (3) Joseph Addai (25-'10), Mike Hart, Chad Simpson

Wide Receiver (6) Marvin Harrison (36-'11), Reggie Wayne (29-'11), Anthony Gonzalez (23-'11), Roy Hall (24-'10), Sam Giguere, Pierre Garcon

Tight end (3) Dallas Clark (29-'13), Jacob Tamme, Tom Santi

Offensive Tackle (3) Tony Ugoh (24-'10), Ryan Diem (29-'11), Michael Toudouze

Interior OL (5) Jeff Saturday (33-'08), Ryan Lilja (26-'12), Mike Pollak, Charlie Johnson, Steve Justice

Defensive end (5) Dwight Freeney (28-'12), Robert Mathis (27-'10), Josh Thomas (27-'08), Marcus Howard, Jeff Charleston

Defensive tackle (6) Ed Johnson (24-'08**), Raheem Brock (30-'10), Quinn Pitcock (24-'09*), Keyunta Dawson (22-'10), Eric Foster, Darrell Reid (26-'08)

Linebacker (5) Gary Brackett (28-'09), Freddy Keiaho (25-'09), Tyjuan Hagler (26-'08), Phillip Wheeler, Clint Session (23-'10)

Cornerback (6) Marlin Jackson (25-'09), Kelvin Hayden (25-'08), Dante Hughes (23-'10), Michael Coe (24-'10), Tim Jennings (24-'09), TJ Rushing (25-'09)

Safety (6) Bob Sanders (27-'12), Antoine Bethea (24-'09), Matt Giordano (25-'08), Melvin Bullitt (23-'09*), Brannon Condren (25-'10), Jamie Silva

Special Teams (3) Adam Vinatieri (35-'10), Justin Snow (31-'12), Hunter Smith (31-'09)

Practice Squad (6)

RB Kenton Keith
WR Devin Aromashodu
RB Luke Lawton
LB Ramon Guzman
OL Corey Hilliard
OL Jamey Richard

tylerb929 · 05-03-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610

It's more than a season I think, but I'm not 100% sure. I remember hearing something about 3 years before though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenewstribune.com

After noon EST on September 2nd, each club may establish a Practice Squad of no more than eight (8) players who are free agents.The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (A bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.) and who did not dress for more than eight (8) regular season games during their only accrued (i.e., on the 53 man roster for at least 6 games) season. Minimum salary for a practice squad player shall be $4,700 per week for the 2006-07 League Years, $5,200 per week for the 2008-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped Year, and $5,700 per week for the 2011 League Year if it is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year, including postseason weeks in which his Club is in the playoffs. Aigher salary can be negotiated. In addition, a player under contract to a club as a Practice Squad player is completely free to sign a contract with another NFL club during the season in order to be on the second club's Active/Inactive (i.e., 53 man) list. A practice squad player may not sign an NFL Player Contract with his Club’s next opponent later than 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the sixth day preceding the game (except in bye weeks, when the prohibition commences on the tenth day preceding the game).If another club signs a Practice Squad player to its 53 man roster it does not have to provide any sort of compensation to the player's former club but it generally must keep the player on the 53 man roster for at least 3 weeks, thereby mandating that he earns in 2007 the minimum first year salary for said 3 week period ($285,000 prorated weekly). Also note that a team can add and release players from the practice squad as often as it desires and the eight (8) man limit does not have to be maintained. A player may be on the practice squad for two seasons; three weeks on the practice squad count as a season. An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. The League may elect to allow some or all Clubs to add to their practice squads one additional player, who shall not count against the limit above, whose citizenship and principal place of residence are outside the United States and its Territories (“International Player”). The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season

Here are the rules for the practice squad.

Dam8610 · 05-03-2008, 07:47 PM

Thanks for that tyler, I see the 3 years part now (part about a player having been on a practice squad with the same team and the team having 53 players...applies to guys like John Standeford in the past).

Anyway, no one has yet attempted to address the 2nd part of what this thread is about. What are the current team needs? Honestly looking at the roster, the only thing I see missing that I'd really like added is a dominant 3-tech, ala a Warren Sapp or Tommie Harris (who, incidentally, could be a FA at season's end). Looking at the contract situations, it's looking like DB is the next biggest need, that is if the RB situation pans. Is there anything I'm missing here?

MaxV · 05-04-2008, 09:00 AM

Dam, I agree completely with 3-tech UT. I've been saying that for awhile.