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Old 09-16-2008, 08:12 AM    (permalink
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im not sure what that means but hes was 15/25 150 0 tds and not m,any points in this last yawner. and this is against a team that lost to vandy. now they get fla auburn lsu etc. theyre going to lose some games. i think the hawaii game elevated the team and stafford a above their true level. its going to be difficult for him tomeet expectations and hes not going to have a huge year stat wise.
You really need to watch the games and not just look at the box score. Like I mentioned a few days ago 5 of the 10 incomplete passes were droped. one would have been for a TD, two would have been first downs and two others would have prevented 3rd and long. If those pass are caught the game is alot diffrent. One of the other 5 incompete Richard Samuel had a pass go through his hands that would have been a TD. If Moreno or King is in the game thats a TD. On another incomplete he escaped a defender where he should have been sacked throw it downfield around 40 yards and Massaqoui couldn't get his feet down in bounds. He did make a bad read where he threw into double coverage to A.J instead of hitting Massaquoui on a crossing pattern. South Carolina did lose to Vandy, but they have a great DB which was 4th in the country and pass yards and are off to a good start agian this year with pretty much the same group back. UGA also lost the battle up front.


I was watching and saw a Okl. WR take a short pass and go about 70 yards for a TD. When is the last time you saw a UGA WR do that?
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In my opinion, Matt Stafford's hype is eerily similar to Andre Woodson's at this time last year.
I think the biggest difference (aside from throwing motion) is that Woodson showed late last year he had very limited pocket presence/rush sense. I'm not surprised he ended up lasting as long as he did because most of the guys who did get taken before him were guys I would have taken before him.
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First off, I'm not comparing Woodson to Stafford. I said I was comparing their hype. ...and it's driven because of similar qualities.
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I think Woodson hype was started from him having good stats in the SEC. Where Staffords bigest knock is not having good enough stats.
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Remember that Woodson was a senior last year and Stafford is a junior this year. Unless Stafford gets a 1st Round, he'll come back for his senior year. As big of a fan of Stafford that I am, I think he'd be better off staying for his senior year anyway.
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First off, I'm not comparing Woodson to Stafford. I said I was comparing their hype. ...and it's driven because of similar qualities.
I understand you were comparing their draft stock at similar points, I was justing pointing out the Woodson had a massive flaw that Stafford doesn't, so I don't see Stafford's value mirroring the dive that Woodson ended up having.
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Remember that Woodson was a senior last year and Stafford is a junior this year. Unless Stafford gets a 1st Round, he'll come back for his senior year. As big of a fan of Stafford that I am, I think he'd be better off staying for his senior year anyway.

His receivers (except for Jones) arent going to get any better and he could get hurt. When you're an apparent lock to be a top 5 pick you come out.
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I think I worded that wrong. I think it's less risky to his draft stock to come out this year, but I think he'd be a better player if he stayed for another year.
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His receivers (except for Jones) arent going to get any better and he could get hurt. When you're an apparent lock to be a top 5 pick you come out.
I have major doubts that he'll be a sure fire Top 5 selection if he were to declare. But if he is, yeah, he should. I think P-L is coming from the standpoint where Stafford does see his stock fall. Which in that case, he should go back.
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I think I worded that wrong. I think it's less risky to his draft stock to come out this year, but I think he'd be a better player if he stayed for another year.

There is the argument he can get better at the pro level with better coaching. I'm with you on players staying to get better but i would be shocked if he does. He isnt meeting with Troy Aikman and Tony Romo down in Dallas to talk about the weather.
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There is the argument he can get better at the pro level with better coaching. I'm with you on players staying to get better but i would be shocked if he does. He isnt meeting with Troy Aikman and Tony Romo down in Dallas to talk about the weather.
Well, naturally players are going to be better if they return and don't get injured. Anyone who digresses skill/experience wise is a nincompoop.

But the thing that CAN change is draft stock. See Brady Quinn/Colt Brennan.
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Question. How is Stafford's pocket presence?
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I just disagree with that, how is Stafford not a gamer? The only difference is yes Georgia has a better team around Stafford but come on Georgia does not have that good of WR's to be honest with you. That running game sure does help though. I think both players can make any throw all over the football field, I just do not understand how anyone would not be insanely impressed with Stafford's arm. Tell me who has a better arm than he does in college football. And when I say throwing arm I mean how far one can throw it and how fast they can throw it.
Stafford's cast is a helluva lot better than what Cutler had at Vanderbilt.

What a joke to suggest anything close to otherwise.

Matthew Stafford is the most overrated prospect in the draft. He is living off of the hype he had out of high school.

His great arm strength is negated by his inconsistency and decision making.
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Can we let the guy play this year before we talk about bad decision making and inconsistency? It's not how you start your college career, it's how you end it. There have been tons of examples of this. Look at Stafford's numbers so far.

Georgia Southern: 62%, 2 TD, 0 INT
Central Michigan: 64%, 2 TD, 0 INT
South Carolina: 60%, 0 TD, 0 INT (4 dropped passes)

Through 3 games he's thrown consistently over 60% and has yet to make a bad decision. I don't know how he's going to finish the season, but through three games he's completed a very respectable number of his passes despite having a poor receiving corps and has yet to throw an INT.
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Well, naturally players are going to be better if they return and don't get injured. Anyone who digresses skill/experience wise is a nincompoop.

But the thing that CAN change is draft stock. See Brady Quinn/Colt Brennan.
Good point about Quinn, Brennan was never thought of as a top 5 pick so i dont know where anyone is getting that. The thing with Quinn is he had Russell in front of him and teams werent willing to take a second QB that high. I think this year there is a pretty good chance KC, Miami and possibly Rams, Bucs, Bears and Jets may be looking for help with early picks.
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Good point about Quinn, Brennan was never thought of as a top 5 pick so i dont know where anyone is getting that. The thing with Quinn is he had Russell in front of him and teams werent willing to take a second QB that high. I think this year there is a pretty good chance KC, Miami and possibly Rams, Bucs, Bears and Jets may be looking for help with early picks.
Brennan might've been a 1st or 2nd round pick. He ended up going in the 6th. What I was referring to was the drop in stock. I didn't think that was so hard to grasp, but whatevers.
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Can we let the guy play this year before we talk about bad decision making and inconsistency? It's not how you start your college career, it's how you end it. There have been tons of examples of this. Look at Stafford's numbers so far.

Georgia Southern: 62%, 2 TD, 0 INT
Central Michigan: 64%, 2 TD, 0 INT
South Carolina: 60%, 0 TD, 0 INT (4 dropped passes)

Through 3 games he's thrown consistently over 60% and has yet to make a bad decision. I don't know how he's going to finish the season, but through three games he's completed a very respectable number of his passes despite having a poor receiving corps and has yet to throw an INT.
At the same token, can we let the guy play this year before crowing his ass? I'm fine with judging him along the way.... and with that... If I'm going to call someone the best QB prospect in the game, I need to see a better showing that what he did against S.Carolina.
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Brennan might've been a 1st or 2nd round pick. He ended up going in the 6th. What I was referring to was the drop in stock. I didn't think that was so hard to grasp, but whatevers.
It wasnt hard to grasp at all i was just trying to compare apples to apples, I dont put Brennan in the same class as Stafford but maybe that's just me.
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It wasnt hard to grasp at all i was just trying to compare apples to apples, I dont put Brennan in the same class as Stafford but maybe that's just me.
Ha ha. You still don't get it. :D
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Ha ha. You still don't get it. :D

I understand the guy's stock could drop, make you feel better?
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I understand the guy's stock could drop, make you feel better?
I was already feeling good. You put me in a laughy mood. :D

The minute I start to see something positive in his development that's different from what he's shown so far, trust me, I'll be there to give him any props he deserves. Right now, I just don't see the next great thing.
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Well, naturally players are going to be better if they return and don't get injured. Anyone who digresses skill/experience wise is a nincompoop.

But the thing that CAN change is draft stock. See Brady Quinn/Colt Brennan.
Did you really type Nincompoop?

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I was already feeling good. You put me in a laughy mood. :D

The minute I start to see something positive in his development that's different from what he's shown so far, trust me, I'll be there to give him any props he deserves. Right now, I just don't see the next great thing.
Fair enough. He does seem a little stifled in that offense there. Guys that you mentioned like Quinn and Brennan and Jay Cutler(who others have brought up) have had the luxury of throwing a ton of passes each game. I think Stafford can make all the throws but with those receivers and Knowshown Moreno i dont think things will change that much. I'm not the only one that thinks he'll go early by the way.
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Fair enough. He does seem a little stifled in that offense there. Guys that you mentioned like Quinn and Brennan and Jay Cutler(who others have brought up) have had the luxury of throwing a ton of passes each game. I think Stafford can make all the throws but with those receivers and Knowshown Moreno i dont think things will change that much. I'm not the only one that thinks he'll go early by the way.
That's the thing I'm getting at. People "think" he can do this and that "if" da da da da da. Many excuses...

I'm saying "Show me" what you can do with the #1 ranked team coming into the college season. So far, not so good.
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That's the thing I'm getting at. People "think" he can do this and that "if" da da da da da. Many excuses...

I'm saying "Show me" what you can do with the #1 ranked team coming into the college season. So far, not so good.

Should get some opportunities down in the desert this saturday night. I think sometimes 5 star guys get a reputation that they are automatically going to be great and that isnt always the case. Stafford has a great and accurate arm but you're right he needs to show more.
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