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Old 09-27-2008, 10:51 PM    (permalink
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True. But I'm not sure another year would help him.
Why not? Plenty of toolsy quarterbacks have made big jumps into their senior years (Palmer, Cutler), and Stafford has definitely shown flashes. There's no doubting that the consistency is lacking, but I don't have any reason to say it can't be there with time.
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blame it on the o line blame it on the recievers. excuses excuses. it was his game to win. they werent going to be able to run it. it was on him,when the spotlight was on and he didnt deliver. some will just continue to believe until its too late.
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
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Stafford is being checked out for a concussion

The loss was on Stafford? C'mon the defense gave up 41 points with bama not even trying in the 3rd quarter
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it was his game to win. he couldnt get it done not even close. many reasons why they lost other than stafford. but he wasnt giving them a chance to win either. the dude can throw the football hard, so he has potential. but he doesnt do anything else well. its teachable and learnable, so there is hope for him. but to win at a high level in the nfl, you have to do more than just "not make your team lose" at the qb position. hes a long long way from playing qb succesfully at the nfl level
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The loss was on Stafford? C'mon the defense gave up 41 points with bama not even trying in the 3rd quarter
Bama dominated both lines of scrimmage for most of that game so i dont know how anyone could blame Moreno or Stafford. In fact i doubt even pro stars like Brady and Manning would have done much under that kind of pressure.
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There is a lot of major question marks on UGA's, but Moreno and Stafford are by far the problem. I think people are just blaming then since they don't really know anyone else on the team.

The OL/DL were the reason the lost and remember the best player for each of those got lost for the year before the season even started.
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youre best players have to step on the big stage. they flopped. they balance out the weaknesses or in some cases mask them totally. not only were their team weaknesses exposed, but moreno and stafford were as well. hope for stafford. none for moreno
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jeff owens or sturdivant wouldnt have made a differenced. like the soccer song they sing to you in england when youre on the losing team "youve been outclassed" stafford moreno and the rest of the team was badly outclassed. but you did lose to the likely champ. maybe there will be a shot a redemption down the road. but you cant defend the performance. it was not nfl level. you cant blame the ol or injuries.
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it was his game to win. he couldnt get it done not even close. many reasons why they lost other than stafford. but he wasnt giving them a chance to win either. the dude can throw the football hard, so he has potential. but he doesnt do anything else well. its teachable and learnable, so there is hope for him. but to win at a high level in the nfl, you have to do more than just "not make your team lose" at the qb position. hes a long long way from playing qb succesfully at the nfl level
Compare what he did in this game with no running game and, as always, poor pass protection, then compare what Colt Brennan did in a WIDE OPEN system that benefits the quick throws and short passing game against Georgia in the Bowl Game last year. Hawaii's offense throws the ball 60 times a game. They're a one dimensional team, because their system allows them to do so, and it can be successful. Stafford runs a pro style offense. You're talking about a team that needs balance for him to put up superstar numbers. When a team can dominate the line, then it's going to be very difficult to put up superstar numbers and single handedly win a game by himself. A lot of you guys (mythbusta, you're the main idiot), say all this crap about him not winning the game. He's not the greatest college football QB. No one is saying he can win a game on his own. Vince Young ( or duel threats) do that at the college level. Guys like Stafford don't do that often. It's a different game, which is why Vince Young type guys don't do that at the next level. A prospect is measuring his talents, potential, attributes, and production. As a prospect, Stafford is easily one of the best QBs in the last 10 years. Some of the throws he's made in this game, and games since his freshman year are NFL throws. You do not see Sam Bradford even attempt the difficulty of throws Matt Stafford completes. Did anyone see the TD pass in garbage time to Moore? It was into double coverage with NO WINDOW at all. No QB at the college level even attempts that throw. Stafford completes it for 6.

I like how people brush off his arm like it's an average arm. "Yeah, he's got a good arm, but that's it." Its up there with Russell and Palmer. Wait until Stafford develops. You're all still looking at a RAW PROSPECT. Remember all the flaws in Jay Cutler's game? He was a senior with the same negatives and same positives as Stafford. I'm the first to stand up and say Cutler was a great college QB, because I put him #1 overall in my rankings after the great game he had against Florida. To this day, I say that was the best performance by a QB I've seen at the college level. Taking Vanderbilt to double OT in the Swamp? taht just doesn't happen. I see Stafford as a near clone. Stafford has that kind of ability, but I think you'll see that potential towards the end of the year where he can carry a team to a win with a poor line and no running game against a great defense. The guys is what? 4 games into his JUNIOR YEAR? He'll be an experienced QB by the end of the season, and he'll get much better as the season progresses. He gets better and better every time he steps on the field. With a guy like Sam Bradford you see the same thing every week. Screen pass for 80 yards. Run for 30 yards. Play action, TD pass to an uncovered Germaine Greshman. Stair down one side of the field, throw the ball underneath to an open receiver, 45 yards later, TOUCHDOWN!!!! Dude puts up numbers, no doubt about it, but its the most unimpressive thing I've ever seen.

I don't know if Stafford could run OU offense as well as Bradford does, but I do know Bradofrd would never put up the numbers he does if he played for Georgia. I don't know if he would start for Miss. State.

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jeff owens or sturdivant wouldnt have made a differenced. like the soccer song they sing to you in england when youre on the losing team "youve been outclassed" stafford moreno and the rest of the team was badly outclassed. but you did lose to the likely champ. maybe there will be a shot a redemption down the road. but you cant defend the performance. it was not nfl level. you cant blame the ol or injuries.
You take two potential AA players off their team and it certainly has to hurt. Moreno was hampered because they got behind so early they decided to go almost entirely with the pass. As for Stafford i actually have more respect for the way he hung in there tonight than i did after the Arizona State game. Scouts can see he makes all the throws.

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There is a lot of major question marks on UGA's, but Moreno and Stafford are by far the problem. I think people are just blaming then since they don't really know anyone else on the team.

The OL/DL were the reason the lost and remember the best player for each of those got lost for the year before the season even started.
People will always blame the skill positions, it's all that most people really look at. That's why when a guy plays for a super talented team and puts up big numbers, everyone loves him, even if he's a lesser player than someone else.
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People will always blame the skill positions, it's all that most people really look at. That's why when a guy plays for a super talented team and puts up big numbers, everyone loves him, even if he's a lesser player than someone else.
Exactly, look at the superbowl, Tom Brady went from being all universe to rather ordinary because he spent the whole game on his back.
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Exactly, look at the superbowl, Tom Brady went from being all universe to rather ordinary because he spent the whole game on his back.
Or look how poor Peyton Manning has looked this season when he has had no protection.
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Or even how we always glorify runners that run behind dominant lines, and when they struggle after losing linemen, we assume they regressed.

Or look how Randy Moss lost all his athletic ability, and was done in Oakland, oh wow, he goes to a functional offense, and it all came back! what a coincidence!
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when its all said and done youask peyton manning or any top nfl qb. its always on them. you can try to say hes randy moss reincarnate or whatever, but the performance on this night, on the big stage against the best competition. it was not nfl level. i think stafford has potential. in the nfl hes going to have to play under far more adverse conditions than tonight. hes not capable at this point. hes not playing at anywhere nearly anything that resembles an nfl level. not vs sc or in this game. expectations of matt stafford have to be much higher than 6th rd qb picks if youre going to spend a high selection and give hin 20-30 mil guaranteed. he has to dominate. he has to win games on his shoulders when his team has injuries or doesnt play well. putting up big #s against teams that cant stop the run and are athletically inferior,with your defense swarming them that really doesnt mean anything. when the money is on the line, the best perform.against the top competition. i think its a key trait, especially for a qb. stafford hasnt exhibited it as of yet. he surely didnt tonight which to me is a sign of not ready.
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Matt Ryan hasn't done anything to prove that he will pan out yet.

Two bombs vs blown coverages vs the Chiefs and Lions. That's it.
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I think we can all agree on these things


1. He has a ton of upside probley more any prospect eligble for this years draft.

2. He isn't a finished product product and would be better coming back for his senior year. But since the senior class is weak and several teams need a QB in the top 10. He will probley come out

3. He is getting better every year which is about all you can ask for a QB with his potential. He improved his yards from 1,740 to 2,523 and on pace for 2,863 this year. He improved his comp. % from 52.7 to 55.7 and is currently at 59.7 for his year. His interceptions have went from 13 to 10 and currently has 1 on the year (hail mary pass in endzone at end of the half down 31). His TD's went from 7 to 19 and currently on pace for 17. His QB rating has gone up from 109 to 129 and is currently at 144. His stats still aren't great, but they are atleast headed in the right direction

4. His OL and WR's have been below average while he has been at UGA with the exception of A.J Green this year. The WR's have got no sepration and have droped a ton of passes over the years. The OL this year is even worse then last year's which saw 3 freshman start.

5. His supporting cast is much worse then the other junior QB's Tebow, Bradford and Sanchez.
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Two bombs vs blown coverages vs the Chiefs and Lions. That's it.
They were not blown. He recognized the coverages and the defenses were just lacking in talent. He placed the ball perfectly for his receivers.

He has actually done a lot to prove that he might pan out.
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Two bombs vs blown coverages vs the Chiefs and Lions. That's it.
He's done plenmty for a rookie. Yeah, if he was a four year vet I wouldnt be excited but for a pure rookie he's been great
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1. He has a ton of upside probley more any prospect eligble for this years draft.

Not if Colt McCoy declares.

2. He isn't a finished product product and would be better coming back for his senior year. But since the senior class is weak and several teams need a QB in the top 10. He will probley come out

Agreed.

3. He is getting better every year which is about all you can ask for a QB with his potential. He improved his yards from 1,740 to 2,523 and on pace for 2,863 this year. He improved his comp. % from 52.7 to 55.7 and is currently at 59.7 for his year. His interceptions have went from 13 to 10 and currently has 1 on the year (hail mary pass in endzone at end of the half down 31). His TD's went from 7 to 19 and currently on pace for 17. His QB rating has gone up from 109 to 129 and is currently at 144. His stats still aren't great, but they are atleast headed in the right direction

True, but you can expect that from any QB. No real case to separate him from the bunch here.

4. His OL and WR's have been below average while he has been at UGA with the exception of A.J Green this year. The WR's have got no sepration and have droped a ton of passes over the years. The OL this year is even worse then last year's which saw 3 freshman start.

No excuse. Georgia is one of the most talented teams in the nation. If you want to be mentioned as one of the best teams in the nation, don't say you don't have good enough talent.

5. His supporting cast is much worse then the other junior QB's Tebow, Bradford and Sanchez.

False. Florida doesn't have a running game like Georgia. Oklahoma doesn't have a defense like Georgia. USC's offense is in a rebuilding year and practically everyone is new and young. Moreno > McKnight.
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Best junior QB in the nation right now is between Bradford and McCoy... right now, I'd take McCoy to run my NFL team over Bradford. Got more moxie.
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id take mccoy as well. the one thing i see in mccoy that i dont see as much in bradford is the non tangible stuff. the drive and passion. i want that in my qb as well.
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The only thing I see in McCoy is Chris Simms 2.0 while Stafford is Elway 2.0
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Question Any word on the possible "concussion"

If anybody knows....

How did Stafford end up checking out?

As a Rams fan, I've certainly taken an interest in him.

St. Louis could be a good situation for him. He wouldn't necessarily have to be rushed into the lineup.
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Best junior QB in the nation right now is between Bradford and McCoy... right now, I'd take McCoy to run my NFL team over Bradford. Got more moxie.
Is that a joke?

Stafford > McCoy by a MILE.

Stafford's arm strength > McCoy's "intangibles"

McCoy and his lackluster arm will be lucky to start a game in the NFL. More upside than Stafford? Not even close.
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If anybody knows....

How did Stafford end up checking out?

He is fine
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