Best Defense

Yung Flippa · 05-11-2008, 03:27 PM

Who's got the best defense in the division?

Not trying to be a homer, but IMO Baltimore has the best.

1) Baltimore
2) Pittsburgh
3) Cleveland
4) Cincinnati

AkiliSmith · 05-11-2008, 03:39 PM

1. Pittsburgh
2. Baltimore
3. Cincy
4. Cleveland

EdReedUnstoppable · 05-11-2008, 03:41 PM

1a. Baltimore
1b. Pittsburgh
3. Cleveland
4. Cincinnati

WinslowEdwards19 · 05-11-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AkiliSmith

1. Pittsburgh
2. Baltimore
3. Cincy
4. Cleveland

Cincy above Cleveland? You're a moron

Hines · 05-11-2008, 06:19 PM

Steelers
Ravens
Browns

Bengals

AkiliSmith · 05-11-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WinslowEdwards19

Cincy above Cleveland? You're a moron

Moron huh.

Cincy had only 4 defensive players last season that played 16 games, and still managed to have a better defense than your turds. I don't buy the overpriced lineman you brought in, and you still have no pass rush or corners.

I hate delusional Browns fans.

Hines · 05-11-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AkiliSmith

Moron huh.

Cincy had only 4 defensive players last season that played 16 games, and still managed to have a better defense than your turds. I don't buy the overpriced lineman you brought in, and you still have no pass rush or corners.

I hate delusional Browns fans.

You have no pass rush, no rush defense, and no pass defense.

AkiliSmith · 05-11-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HinesWardJr

You have no pass rush, no rush defense, and no pass defense.

Better than Cleveland's. I wouldn't call Joseph and Hall no pass defense either. The lack of pass defense was mostly a product of no pass rush, which hopefully will be fixed with the addition of Odom and healthy Brooks.

Even with no defense we still managed to always beat you once a season....

Hines · 05-11-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AkiliSmith

Better than Cleveland's. I wouldn't call Joseph and Hall no pass defense either. The lack of pass defense was mostly a product of no pass rush, which hopefully will be fixed with the addition of Odom and healthy Brooks.

Even with no defense we still managed to always beat you once a season....

Even though you didnt this past season.......

AkiliSmith · 05-11-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HinesWardJr

Even though you didnt this past season.......

Damn I thought we did.... disregard

themaninblack · 05-11-2008, 09:23 PM

our defense will surprise. That is all.

PalmerToCJ · 05-11-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HinesWardJr

You have no pass rush, no rush defense, and no pass defense.

Our run D has been right around middle of the road the last two seasons... Obviously not good but not as horrible as people make it sound. We do have no pass rush which hurts our pass D. Our secondary is solid, it's just when the teams have 8 days to find an open man they're going to. Fix the pass rush and a lot of things are fixed. Plus having a healthy LB core would be nice for a change.

Our defense is LOADED with potential but given the fact that it's only potential no one other than Bengals fans have any reason to get excited about it.... Which is 100% understandable.

BengalMedic · 05-12-2008, 08:54 AM

In looking at the 2007 stats, this is what you'll find:

Fewest Points Allowed
PIT
CLE
BAL
CIN

Fewest Yards Allowed
PIT
BAL
CIN
CLE

Rush Yards Allowed
BAL
PIT
CIN
CLE

Pass Yards Allowed
PIT
BAL
CLE
CIN

Overall Defensive Ranking
PIT
BAL
CIN
CLE

In looking at this, you would have to think the final standings from the 2007 season stand until we see production on the field from the offseason additions and draft picks. They are unknows at this point, but I guess you can speculate.

I see PIT as the #1, as they were the #1 last season overall in defense and have gotten younger with the drafting of Woodley and Timmons.

I see BAL as the #2, as they are still a force, but getting older.

I see CIN as the #3, due to the addition of a pass rush in Odom, drafting guys like Rivers and Sims, and the fact they will have a healthy LB Corps heading into this season instead of a bunch of street free agents with 2 weeks on the team.

I see CLE as the #4, but will say they could VERY EASILY move into a battle for the #1 slot due to their offseason additions. I believe the interior of their D-line will be something beastly this season, but I think their secondary is going to be the week point.

No disrespect intended to anyone there, just how I see things at this point. Once play starts, things could change drastically. With the schedule the teams in the AFCN play this year, it will be fun to watch how things pan out.

StripedWalrus · 05-12-2008, 12:48 PM

Going by last year its

Steelers
Ravens
Bengals
Browns

This year I won't make a ranking but I will say this.
Cleveland will find that their boy from Detroit will be a lazy bust, and Cincy will be glad they didn't get him. Pittsburgh and Baltimore will continue with their solid defenses. Cincy will surprise everyone with their defense this year. I'm not saying it will be a Pitt level. I am saying that it will be incredibly better than it was last year.

Smooth Criminal · 05-12-2008, 05:23 PM

Ill take the steelers #1. They should evennbe improved over last season with pass rusher woodley getting into the lineup and Timmons should be a starter this year. Plus Clark is back at FS.

I'll put Baltimore at #2. They still have a ton of talent even if they are aging on defense, esspecially at corner.

Cindy would be my third team. They had a ton of injuries last year and they should be getting some of those guys back. Plus they have a good pair of young corners. Biggest weakness is at the pass rush where they are fairly weak.

Cleveland could easily take third in defense with the additions they put on the line and the talent they have at linebacker. But the defensive backs are fairly weak and I think it will be the downfall of the team. I'm not sold on either Rodgers or Williams working out in a 3-4.

Bengals78 · 07-03-2008, 01:33 AM

Last year I will go, Bal, Pitt, Cin-Cle interchangeable really.
I think Cincy will secure 3 which if you look at the teams in this division isnt bad
The only reason i say Bal was better because i think if they had any semblance of an offense last year and they d wasnt constantly out there, they would be unreal again.

Next year, ill go:
Pitt
Bal
Cincy
Cle

Cleveland will be sorely disapointed with Rogers after realizing he cant play 16 games and their lack of DB depth will hurt them big time with the way offenses are going in the divisions.

RoyHall#1 · 07-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Cleveland's D is going to surprise this year. I'm sure of it.

BengalMedic · 07-07-2008, 07:16 AM

RoyHall, I will agree with you IF the Browns find some help at CB. I think losing Bodden is going to hurt more than most Browns fans want to admit. Even if you do find help, there is no depth in case of injury. CB has to be a early pick for you guys in the next draft.

If the new pickups on the D-line help get pressure on the opposing QB, maybe the CB's won't suffer to bad, but that's putting a lot of faith in that one area.

Honestly though, I think Cleveland has been making some moves and if nothing else, you can't fault an organization for at least making the attempt to put a winner on the field.

The best defense still has to go to Pittsburgh without question...

RoyHall#1 · 07-07-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BengalMedic

RoyHall, I will agree with you IF the Browns find some help at CB. I think losing Bodden is going to hurt more than most Browns fans want to admit. Even if you do find help, there is no depth in case of injury. CB has to be a early pick for you guys in the next draft.

If the new pickups on the D-line help get pressure on the opposing QB, maybe the CB's won't suffer to bad, but that's putting a lot of faith in that one area.

Honestly though, I think Cleveland has been making some moves and if nothing else, you can't fault an organization for at least making the attempt to put a winner on the field.

The best defense still has to go to Pittsburgh without question...

Bodden and hurt are always in the same sentence. Lol. Our D-Coordinator is a DB's specialist and we've got some good young guys at CB. Granted depth is not good but barring injuries I think our secondary will look great this year with the newly improved line.

And for the record, I wasn't the one who voted for the Browns.

Smooth Criminal · 07-07-2008, 04:51 PM

The moves pn the Browns line won't be as be as big as their fans like to think. Rodgers has been known as a lazy player and that wont bare well for him being a nose tackle.

Rodgers and Williams have never played the 3-4 and it's definately for from a sure thing that they will fit the system.

terribletowel39 · 07-07-2008, 05:11 PM

It has to be Pittsburgh. They were #1 overall and this isn't an excuse, but they would have been better than Balty in run defense had A. Smith not gone down the last 2 weeks. They were ahead of Balty before then. Just sayin'. I think its Pittsburgh without a doubt. Then Baltimore and then the other two way down.

themaninblack · 07-07-2008, 07:17 PM

I also think the Steelers are better on D than the Ravens as well.

BengalMedic · 07-08-2008, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyHall#1

Bodden and hurt are always in the same sentence. Lol. Our D-Coordinator is a DB's specialist and we've got some good young guys at CB. Granted depth is not good but barring injuries I think our secondary will look great this year with the newly improved line.

And for the record, I wasn't the one who voted for the Browns.

And our head coach is a defensive specialist, but you see what that has gotten us in regards to defense. "IF" your CB's have a good season, I will be more than happy to say, good job. Until that happens, I will just keep saying that the DB's are going to be your weakness.

Pittsburgh's defense is the best in the Division, hope no one really tries to argue that one...

Bengalsrocket · 07-08-2008, 04:09 PM

If Odom can produce without kyle V.B. and Haynesworth on the same line as him, I think cinci will have a better D than Cleveland. We desperately need to put pressure on the passing game. However, if he turns out to be a product of that incredible D-line instead, then cleveland will more than likely have a better D.

Same can be said for Shaun Rodgers though. If he turns out to be the lazy fat player everyone seems to think he is, then I think cleveland's D will crumble too.

Either way, both D's are pretty crappy on paper on right now, and unless key players (rivers / odom for cincy and Rodgers for cleveland) step it up then both will continue to suck and it doesn't matter if one is 3rd or 4th in the division because they'll both be near last in the league :P

To contribute, I think Steelers have the better overall D right now, but ravens aren't far behind.

RoyHall#1 · 07-08-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BengalMedic

And our head coach is a defensive specialist, but you see what that has gotten us in regards to defense. "IF" your CB's have a good season, I will be more than happy to say, good job. Until that happens, I will just keep saying that the DB's are going to be your weakness.

Pittsburgh's defense is the best in the Division, hope no one really tries to argue that one...

Our safeties are damn good, we just have some issues at CB. And our head coach is a defensive specialist as well haha.