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Old 05-12-2008, 10:58 AM    (permalink
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List off your top LTs you would want if you were building a team from scratch so obviously age will play some part in this decision.

Mine are...

1. Joe Thomas
2. Jamaal Brown
3. Marcus McNeil
4. Tony Ugoh
5. Michael Roos
6. Matt Light
7. Jake Long
8. D'brick Ferguson
9. Levi Jones
10. Levi Brown
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Jake Long shouldnt be one there...at all. He is even considere to be best at RT. And levi brown is a RT isnt he?
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Horrible list!

Levi Brown is a RT...and where is Walter Jones???
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Jason Peters should be #2.
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Joe Staley baby.. Manned the Tackle position like a VET!
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Roos should be higher.
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1. Walter Jones
2. Orlando Pace(based on his career)
3. Jason Peters
4. Joe Thomas (more to prove though)
5. Matt Light
6. Marcus McNeil
7a. Flozell Adams
7b. Jamaal Brown
9. William Thomas
10. Pick 1 of McKinnie,Samuels,Clifton,Ugoh(QB helps),David Diehl,Barnes
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Matt Light is a little overrated because of the play of the line as a whole and having Tom Brady back there. Light can't handle speed rushers.
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Matt Light is a little overrated because of the play of the line as a whole and having Tom Brady back there. Light can't handle speed rushers.
Exactly, he just can't contain any speed rusher. Taylor, Feeney, Tuck, they were all across the line before he made his first step. Its pathetic actually.



What is McNeil's ranking based on his first year or his second because they're demonstrably different?
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1. Walter Jones
2. Orlando Pace(based on his career)
3. Jason Peters
4. Joe Thomas (more to prove though)
5. Matt Light
6. Marcus McNeil
7a. Flozell Adams
7b. Jamaal Brown
9. William Thomas
10. Pick 1 of McKinnie,Samuels,Clifton,Ugoh(QB helps),David Diehl,Barnes
If i would build my franchise, i wouldnt choose guys that are older than 28
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1a. Michael Roos
1b. Jason Peters
3. Joe Thomas
4. Marcus McNeil
5. Levi Jones (he's been injured a lot lately but two years ago he was incredible and with a better coaching staff/organization he would revert to form)
6. D'Brickashaw(spl?) Ferguson
7. Jamal Brown
8. Bryant McKinnie
9. Tony Ugoh
10. Khalif Barnes

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If i would build my franchise, i wouldnt choose guys that are older than 28
Its a win now league. I think Pace/Jones are the best current players by far in the NFL. GMs/coaches except for Millen(unfortuanately), only have 2-3 years to do some winning or they are on the hot seat. I'll start with Jones now and then draft a replacement in depending on when he feels like calling it quits who will be groomed by the best LT in the game.

My Right Tackle would be a young guy from the same list.

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I'm not going to argue about Jones, even though I think Peters and Rooos are closer than you'd admit. But how can you build a team about a LT who is more likely to be hurt. Than he is to play in Pace? This guy is nearing the end of his career and will be an injury concern who demands having young replacement on hand.
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Win now is correct, but I believe there are some guys in the NFL at LT that represent an even coverage of both worlds - top talent now, plenty of years to go. If I'm building a team, I don't think I go for a somewhat small increase in ability for a significant descrease in longevity. I mean, it's not like there aren't young LT's already playing exceptionally. Good to great is not as big a gap as young to old IMO.
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I'm not going to argue about Jones, even though I think Peters and Rooos are closer than you'd admit. But how can you build a team about a LT who is more likely to be hurt. Than he is to play in Pace? This guy is nearing the end of his career and will be an injury concern who demands having young replacement on hand.

I will have a young replacement on hand. My Right Tackle will be a young guy from the list because I'm an awesome GM. LOL.

The list is which LT will you build your team on. It would be Jones/Pace because I want to win now. But also my Right Tackle will be awesome too in case of injury. Thats the key to the game.
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I will have a young replacement on hand. My Right Tackle will be a young guy from the list because I'm an awesome GM. LOL.

The list is which LT will you build your team on. It would be Jones/Pace because I want to win now. But also my Right Tackle will be awesome too in case of injury. Thats the key to the game.
The problem with that is that good oline don't just come from talent, you need guys to have chemistry and grow together totruly dominate, that's why it doesn't make sense making guys develop chemistry with someone who'll be gone in 2 years. If I had a line that had been playing together for years with this guy that's one thing but building a team around someone who'll be gone in two years doesn't sound like a good plan to me which is why I'd take the guy who's 6 years younger and is only slightly less refined.
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Horrible list!

Levi Brown is a RT...and where is Walter Jones???
I stated this is a list of tackles who you would take if you were a team starting from scratch. Thats why I wasnt putting guys like Orlando Pace, Ogden, or Walter Jones up there because of their age.
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I stated this is a list of tackles who you would take if you were a team starting from scratch. Thats why I wasnt putting guys like Orlando Pace, Ogden, or Walter Jones up there because of their age.
it wasnt a horrible list cause u left Pace ogden and jones of it.
Missing Jason Peters and having a RT on there as well as rookies is not a great list
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1. Marcus McNeill
2. Jason Peters
3. Joe Thomas
4. Jamaal Brown
5. Michael Roos
6. D'Brickashaw Ferguson
7. Tony Ugoh
8. Bryant McKinnie (down here, just because of his age and personal problems)
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He's learning and getting better. I'm surprised that everyone expected this guy to come in and be an All-Pro right off the bat.

He is still as talented as any LT in the league.
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The problem with that is that good oline don't just come from talent, you need guys to have chemistry and grow together totruly dominate, that's why it doesn't make sense making guys develop chemistry with someone who'll be gone in 2 years. If I had a line that had been playing together for years with this guy that's one thing but building a team around someone who'll be gone in two years doesn't sound like a good plan to me which is why I'd take the guy who's 6 years younger and is only slightly less refined.

Well 4 out of 5 of my O-line could still be on the team providing plenty of consistency. With Jones at LT, I would go younger at both guards and Right Tackle will a be a young future Left Tackle playing Right Tackle. Center wouldn't be extremely young like the guards though. I want to win now and win later and Jones gives me the best chance at that with a young Right Tackle being groomed for left tackle. But for keeping my job winning now is the highest priority in this league. Plus you would have deal with resigning one of these young players at a LT salary. With Jones/Pace, they are playing out their career on your team for 2-3 years and you can resign the young guy at a Right Tackle salary a year before Jones/Pace retire.

This scenario is complex because it most likely will be a fantasy draft if we are picking from all these tackles. When am I picking and who is on the board. If I had a big board of LTs, the one I provided would be it. And if I think I could wait and get Jones in Round 3 of that fantasy draft(because everyone is picking younger guys early) thats a great scenario because I can pick the most imporant position of QB and get a stud DE. If your building through a new expansion team, you only get to choose from a small list of players.
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Levi doesn't deserve to be on that list right now. He was REALLY bad when he came back from injury last season but injury is only thing that would hold him back from being top 5-10.
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Top five in some order is Joe Thomas (no sacks allowed), Jason Peters, Marcus McNeill, Walter Jones, and Jamaal Brown, IMO.
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Top five in some order is Joe Thomas (no sacks allowed), Jason Peters, Marcus McNeill, Walter Jones, and Jamaal Brown, IMO.
Joe Thomas allowed 4.5 sacks. But that is still very impressive for a rook! :)
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