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Old 05-12-2008, 01:48 PM    (permalink
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I could have sworn it was zero. Hm. I'll take your word for it. Any source for that? I'm just curious.
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I could have sworn it was zero. Hm. I'll take your word for it. Any source for that? I'm just curious.
Heres a link.
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5 time pro bowler chris samuels anybody?
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1. Walter Jones
2. Joe Thomas
3. Matt Light
4. Jason Peters
5. Marcus Mcneil
6. Jamal Brown
7. Bryant Mckinnie
8. Flozell Adams
9. Chris Samuels
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As someone who saw every snap of every Browns game last year, I can tell you for a clear cut fact that those numbers are wrong. Joe Thomas didn't allow 4.5 sacks; that's just ridiculous.

And any list that doesn't feature Thomas #1, or #2 at the very least, is also ridiculous.
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They are correct my friend. Via NFL.com aswell! :)
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Initial glance leaves me surprised to see Jamaal Brown ranked so high, given how speed rushers give him fits.
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1a.Jason Peters
1b.Joe Thomas(I am a browns fan, and would put peters ahead of thomas)
3.Walter Jones
4.Marcus Mcniel
5.Roos/Samuels/Brown
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As someone who saw every snap of every Browns game last year, I can tell you for a clear cut fact that those numbers are wrong. Joe Thomas didn't allow 4.5 sacks; that's just ridiculous.

And any list that doesn't feature Thomas #1, or #2 at the very least, is also ridiculous.
Isn't it because of the first Steelers game ? The Browns O-line was abused
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Isn't it because of the first Steelers game ? The Browns O-line was abused

Most likely 6 sacks in that game with Charlie Frye in. Amazing how a QB makes the difference. Just like with Peyton, Ugoh is not some all world player, Peyton makes a big difference.

Its tough to see who is at fault against a 3-4 defense.
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And any list that doesn't feature Thomas #1, or #2 at the very least, is also ridiculous.
I can understand someone being hesitant to put him up there as he has only played one year, even though I myself would put him at #2.

Also, as someone already said, D'Brickashaw Ferguson was not anything special last year or his rookie season and shouldn't be anywhere near top 10
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Ferguson gave up more sacks last year than he did in his rookie year
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Since I'm a Jets fan and I watched every Jets game and watched a lot of Brick, I'll tell you a bit of his problems.
First off he had a 7 game span last year where he was absolute dominant. He was like the lone guy that consistently was beating the man infront of him, he owned Jason Taylor, Giants DEs, Trent Cole, Schobel, and I forget it was a while ago I am pretty sure these guys he owned, I know he destroyed Taylor for sure that game, form the very first snap where he knocked Taylor on his ass to the last snap.

Next he did struggle towards the end of the season where he started giving up sacks, some of them weren't his fault and were because of the mis communication on the OL and miss assignments, that sacks allowed is BS stat to me, you have to watch these guys to really understand them. Ferguson improved from his rookie season to last year, was still inconsistent, but once again his problems was keeping weight on. As a rookie he fell to under 280 at the end of the season. So he gained weight and was at 305 during training camp and then fell back down to low.
This year he is adding a lot of weight, he wants to get up to 320, this is what I heard, he thinks getting up that high he can maintain a 300+ body frame the whole season. Which he needs to be, under 300 is bad.
I think with Faneca next to him and him gaining weight he will be great this year, this will be the season he finally shows his enormous potential and becomes one of the better LT in the NFL.
The Jets O-linemen like Brandon Moore and Nick Mangold would tell you that our problems last year were that we didn't have any vets really, and had players that weren't making the right call or something and people were coming in for the sacks untouched. This year Faneca should make a impact, thats why we signed him. Woody should too, I think Woody will resurrect his career with Mangini being his HC and Bill Callahan the OL coach.

Thats my thoughts with Ferguson, I think hes a good LT and can be mentioned on this list, I think this year he really starts to show that he isn't average and starts to become one of the better at his position.
One thing you can't question is his work ethic, he is always at the Jets complex working out and trying to get better. Good player to have in your locker room. I still think he will make a few probowls in his career and have a very nice career.
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You guys think Ugoh is better than D'Brickashaw?! I'm surprised.
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You guys realize he said age is a factor? Some of you are putting 32 year old LTs, I wouldn't want one to build my team around.
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wow, not one mentions Chad Clifton and he a better left tackle then most of these players you guys listed.

But if there was an age factor I would take Joe Thomas any day or David Diehl who I feel is underrated. For a first year LT, after playing LG for a while, he did an great job.
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Trent Cole
Trent Cole: 6 tackles, 1 sack
Shut down indeed....
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Shut down indeed....
I'm pretty sure he got the better of Trent Cole that game, I remember being impressed after words. I also remember that the sack Cole got wasn't off of Ferguson or something, and 6 tackles doesn't mean anything, those tackles could of been like down the field.
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wow, not one mentions Chad Clifton and he a better left tackle then most of these players you guys listed.

But if there was an age factor I would take Joe Thomas any day or David Diehl who I feel is underrated. For a first year LT, after playing LG for a while, he did an great job.
Because of age, like you said
Joe Thomas and Chad Clifton is my ideal set
With Gosder Cherilus waiting in the wings
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though Jason Peters had a decent year..... i think hes the best LT in the NFL

hes got amazing athleticism, and he makes amazing blocks that other LT's just cannot make
he gets a good push in the run game, has the strength to stop bullrushers, and speed to contain speed rushers

this offseason he admitted he was still learning how to completely play LT, and was still developing technique as a blocker and player




hes gonna get MUCH better, and hes only like 25
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Also watch out for Joe Staley. He was good last season at RT and got better as the season went along. He is switching to LT this year and he has the size, athleticism, and skill to be great
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I think Marvel Smith is underrated, I'd say he's in the top 10 LT's in the NFL. I think he's in the 9-10 range.. but he's certainly better than Ugoh, Jammal Brown.
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1) Walter Jones
2) Michael Roos
3) Jammal Brown
4) Chris Samuels
5) Jason Peters
6) Joe Thomas
7) Matt Light
8) Bryant McKinnie
9) Marcus McNeill
10) Khalif Barnes

I left out Pace and Ogden cause of their age and injuries, but they're HoF'ers and we all know that. Walter Jones is still awesome. I think Michael Roos is the best LT in the AFC. Jammal Brown had a great year in protection, but he still commits too many penalties. Chris Samuels had an average year in protection and didn't commit a holding penalty all year, but he needs to limit his false starts. Jason Peters had his worst year sacks-wise and penalty wise, which dropped him. Joe Thomas had a great year for a rook, but he's still a rookie and doesn't deserve to be put ahead of the guys who've been great for years. Matt Light gives up too many sacks, but is good penalty-wise - he wouldn't make Pro Bowls if he wasn't a Patriot. McKinnie was awesome penalty-wise and is great in run-blocking, but he gives up too many sacks and if he masked by Steve Hutchinson? McNeill got blown up this year in protection, but is good in penalties. Khalif Barnes is very under-rated and commits few penalties, but needs to improve in protection if he wants to gain credit.

And when I say, Gives up too many sacks/Commits too many penalities, I mean it according to obtaining "Elite" status (ie. An elite LT may give up 4 sacks all year, so a LT who gives up 7 sacks gives up too many sacks to be considered elite in that area.)
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Matt Light is a little overrated because of the play of the line as a whole and having Tom Brady back there. Light can't handle speed rushers.
nearly the same goes for jammal brown , is funny how overrated he is on peoples board.
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