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Not really. Arthur Blank just agreed to pay him as much as $72 million. What's Ryan gonna do, say "no thanks" in the hopes that St. Louis signs Chris Long to a six-year, $85 million deal?
i betcha chris long's eyes lit up upon seeing how much ryan just got...

albeit QBs usually get a little more at the top of the draft but you have to figure long wouldn't be too terribly upset with anything even close to that much money
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The falcons are screwed.........in fact any losing team is screwed because these contracts are stupid. Rookies(and not the 1st overall pick) making more than Pro-Bowlers and Hall of Famers.
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The falcons are screwed.........in fact any losing team is screwed because these contracts are stupid. Rookies(and not the 1st overall pick) making more than Pro-Bowlers and Hall of Famers.
i doubt hall of famers are getting much from their old teams contracts anymore but i get your point, lol

and yeah, it is pretty stupid if you ask 99.9% of people. only the players picked in the top 5-10 and their agents would be against the rookie signing structure...problem is those same agents are the guys who have the ear of gene upshaw....

and the argument that the rookie contracts drives up the market for the veterans is bogus too. only franchise QBs like manning and big ben get booku bucks like these top rookies it seems.

and if if you think im wrong on that ask yourself this:

who will get more money, unproven rookie 4th overall pick Darren McFadden or what proven, pro-bowl RB Marion Barber just got?

thought so.
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I agree we need an NBA style pay scale, but the issue is that football is a physical sport that has less of a player shelf life then other sports. I can remember hearing that avg NFL career is 4 years. So what happens to the player that gets hurt then? Do we say too bad, your young, you can bounce back? Or do we have a sick health care for those players even though they were in the league for so little time? Alot of issues comes about by having an NBA type pay scale, but I agree, these contracts are getting out of hand. I feel like it's almost a burden having a top pick, when it's actually supposed to help you. I mean it still can help a team, but comes with a huge price. I would say have a max 3-4 year rookie contract and that way it gives the team a chance to see what they have before offering a huge pay day to them. If they dont want to, then they are still young enough to go somewhere else.
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I agree we need an NBA style pay scale, but the issue is that football is a physical sport that has less of a player shelf life then other sports. I can remember hearing that avg NFL career is 4 years. So what happens to the player that gets hurt then? Do we say too bad, your young, you can bounce back? Or do we have a sick health care for those players even though they were in the league for so little time? Alot of issues comes about by having an NBA type pay scale, but I agree, these contracts are getting out of hand. I feel like it's almost a burden having a top pick, when it's actually supposed to help you. I mean it still can help a team, but comes with a huge price. I would say have a max 3-4 year rookie contract and that way it gives the team a chance to see what they have before offering a huge pay day to them. If they dont want to, then they are still young enough to go somewhere else.
well my argument to the 'more physical game' point is that we don't need to give them equal money to the NBA, just less then they already are getting in the nfl.

and i also think anyone who plays in the nfl should have a lifetime insurance plan for them or something....if they have long term health problems because of their former job, they should get all the benefits of a current player imo.

the couple grand it would take to keep them healthy is pennies compared to the millions the nfl makes.
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i think NFL should put a rookie cap, for the most part these teams who lose year and year out are forced to pay these insane high contract amounts to players who havent even proven anything in this league. Its not like its easy to trade out of these top 5 spots when it comes to draft day, due to these high contract amounts. I can see how teams who are financially set on a player and turns into a bust be set back 5+ years because of the deal.
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I agree we need an NBA style pay scale, but the issue is that football is a physical sport that has less of a player shelf life then other sports. I can remember hearing that avg NFL career is 4 years. So what happens to the player that gets hurt then? Do we say too bad, your young, you can bounce back? Or do we have a sick health care for those players even though they were in the league for so little time? Alot of issues comes about by having an NBA type pay scale, but I agree, these contracts are getting out of hand. I feel like it's almost a burden having a top pick, when it's actually supposed to help you. I mean it still can help a team, but comes with a huge price. I would say have a max 3-4 year rookie contract and that way it gives the team a chance to see what they have before offering a huge pay day to them. If they dont want to, then they are still young enough to go somewhere else.
You would have to have short contracts with a pay scale. You could give rookies a 3 year deal and then they become RFAs. You'd have to get rid of poison pills too. The players would benefit by becoming free agents sooner, and while first round picks might earn less, other players who've earned the money would benefit.
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You would have to have short contracts with a pay scale. You could give rookies a 3 year deal and then they become RFAs. You'd have to get rid of poison pills too. The players would benefit by becoming free agents sooner, and while first round picks might earn less, other players who've earned the money would benefit.
ive always thought 3 years with an option for a 4th is plenty to evaluate a rookie.

in most instances, we know whether a guy will be good or not by his 3rd year in the league, and at that point he would be cut or resigned to a longer term deal accordingly anyway.
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i think NFL should put a rookie cap, for the most part these teams who lose year and year out are forced to pay these insane high contract amounts to players who havent even proven anything in this league. Its not like its easy to trade out of these top 5 spots when it comes to draft day, due to these high contract amounts. I can see how teams who are financially set on a player and turns into a bust be set back 5+ years because of the deal.
There's only a certain amount of money that you can spend on rookies. So there is a cap, essentially.
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Good for both sides ya its crazy money but it is what it is.

I hope this gets the ball rolling for the rest of the rookies.
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Matt Ryan has signed a 6 year deal worth 72 million dollars, according to ESPNews.

From what I know he's the first rookie to sign. This is a big deal considering it took Quinn and Russell forever to get a contract done, so the question is now, will he start week 1?
if he proves he is the starter in TC and preseason, yes. if he doesn't then it's Redman. Harrington is the #3. I believe Ryan will start day one though.
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They have GOT to do something about rookie cap restrictions, seriously...They go up every year, eventually it gets to the point that a team will be paying 40 million guaranteed to a guy who could end up a bust...Thats crippling.
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They have GOT to do something about rookie cap restrictions, seriously...They go up every year, eventually it gets to the point that a team will be paying 40 million guaranteed to a guy who could end up a bust...Thats crippling.
At this pace it will be 2010 that rookie will be gaureenteed 40 mill
07 Russell 31
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The Rookie contracts will eventually destroy the draft at this pace.
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how bad could it get though....as long as the cap goes up proportionately, there wont be a problem.

but if that were stop, could we see a time where the teams at the very top just refuse to pick? forfeit thier pick or something?

would be scary stuff for a draft fan....signability would be come the #1 reason for players being drafted.
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haha, the Falcons are screwed with a 72 million dollar overrated qb for 6 years.


but hey, he has good character.
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haha, the Falcons are screwed with a 72 million dollar overrated qb for 6 years.


but hey, he has good character.
i know right, lol.

i never had anything against him as a person, i just didn't want him on my bears...
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but hey, he has good character.
lol I agree.
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The Giants, despite the hype he has been given, have a QB who has never had a 80 passer rating for a season, lead the NFC in interceptions last year, and has a bad completion percentage. Hell, his stats, despite having all the tools around him, have been extrodinarily mediocre.

Don't get me started on the Bears QBs.

Not trying to start an arguement, but bashing a guy before he steps on the field is going a bit too far.
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The Giants, despite the hype he has been given, have a QB who has never had a 80 passer rating for a season, lead the NFC in interceptions last year, and has a bad completion percentage. Hell, his stats, despite having all the tools around him, have been extrodinarily mediocre.

Don't get me started on the Bears QBs.

Not trying to start an arguement, but bashing a guy before he steps on the field is going a bit too far.
you mean the bears QB where one has a 66% career winning percentage and managed to not lose a division title as a rookie and the other one who played in superbowl? those guys?

people forget that grossman can be anywhere from decent to good with adequate protection and when the guy im pulling for, KO, starts, the bears win twice as many as they lose
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you mean the bears QB where one has a 66% career winning percentage and managed to not lose a division title as a rookie and the other one who played in superbowl? those guys?

people forget that grossman can be anywhere from decent to good with adequate protection and when the guy im pulling for, KO, starts, the bears win twice as many as they lose
Any decent QB would have won a Superbowl with that defense and running game. Saying otherwise is being a homer.

But, I'm not trying to argue.
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Any decent QB would have won a Superbowl with that defense and running game. Saying otherwise is being a homer.

But, I'm not trying to argue.
im not trying to argue either. grossman lost that game hands down.

hester started if off with a great return and the bears D was amazing to start it off but grossman couldn't keep the offense on the field for more than a few plays a drive and the bears D got tired....i know that.

but how many QBs have gotten to that point? not many...
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haha, the Falcons are screwed with a 72 million dollar overrated qb for 6 years.


but hey, he has good character.
Aw come on BBD. :/
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Aw come on BBD. :/

I used to agree with him, but I've been slowly coming around. I know most fans don't care too much for him.. but I highly doubt that all these scouts are just wrong about Ryan.
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Please institute a rookie salary cap!!!!
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These rookie contracts are getting out of hand.
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